WEBVTT 00:00:00.001 --> 00:00:04.640 Hello and welcome to Python Bytes, where we deliver news and headlines directly to your earbuds. 00:00:04.640 --> 00:00:09.000 This is episode 309, recorded November 8th, Election Day. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:10.040 I am Brian Hawken. 00:00:10.040 --> 00:00:11.100 And I'm Michael Kennedy. 00:00:11.100 --> 00:00:13.220 Okay, now let's look at your thing. 00:00:13.220 --> 00:00:17.900 So first of all, redesign the Python Bytes website to make it responsive. 00:00:17.900 --> 00:00:21.620 So even the table gets super cool when you scroll up. 00:00:21.620 --> 00:00:22.560 But that's not what I want to talk about. 00:00:22.560 --> 00:00:23.780 That's not why I brought it up. 00:00:23.780 --> 00:00:25.440 I mean, I always get these emails. 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.640 I know you haven't logged into our site in five years, but we've redesigned it. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:29.320 Let's tell you about it. 00:00:29.400 --> 00:00:30.060 No, I don't care. 00:00:30.060 --> 00:00:32.580 The reason I'm on this page, what is the date today? 00:00:32.580 --> 00:00:33.460 November what? 00:00:33.460 --> 00:00:35.400 It's the 8th. 00:00:35.400 --> 00:00:35.920 It's the 8th. 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.560 Yesterday was Python Bytes' birthday. 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:40.060 Six years old now. 00:00:40.060 --> 00:00:41.200 Oh my gosh. 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:43.400 I can't believe it's been six years. 00:00:43.400 --> 00:00:45.020 Yeah, six years. 00:00:45.020 --> 00:00:47.700 The intro to the show in PIP9 is out. 00:00:47.700 --> 00:00:49.000 What are we on, like PIP30? 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:49.880 I don't know. 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:50.580 I haven't paid attention. 00:00:50.580 --> 00:00:51.740 Well, they went from... 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:53.040 It's past 20, for sure. 00:00:53.040 --> 00:00:57.100 They went from Semver to Calver, so it's hard to count. 00:00:57.100 --> 00:00:58.220 It's still been a long time. 00:00:58.220 --> 00:00:58.580 Yeah. 00:00:58.800 --> 00:00:59.120 Absolutely. 00:00:59.120 --> 00:00:59.700 All right. 00:00:59.700 --> 00:01:01.980 Well, anyway, happy birthday to us. 00:01:01.980 --> 00:01:04.140 Let's jump in. 00:01:04.140 --> 00:01:04.620 Yay, we said we're at cake. 00:01:04.620 --> 00:01:05.400 I know. 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:05.880 Cake. 00:01:05.880 --> 00:01:08.220 We have to use cake emojis somewhere today, I suppose. 00:01:08.220 --> 00:01:08.840 All right. 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:16.180 So I want to tell you about something that really touches on the cybersecurity, pen testing, 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:19.840 you know, red team, blue team sort of hacker side. 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:27.160 And I don't know if people are aware, but Python is used a lot for the pen testing security side 00:01:27.160 --> 00:01:27.780 of the world. 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:31.040 We've had some guests on the show here before that talked about their work, right? 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:32.360 We're like, we don't understand this. 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:34.120 You got to come share this with people yourself. 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:35.340 So it's awesome. 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:37.160 But we're not worthy. 00:01:37.160 --> 00:01:40.020 But there's a really interesting set of research. 00:01:40.020 --> 00:01:48.360 And this research came from Sofian Yadmani and Robin Thay and Olga Gadiataska. 00:01:48.360 --> 00:01:50.900 Sorry if I butchered everyone's name there. 00:01:50.900 --> 00:01:56.460 But it is the title of the official academic articles is out of Norway, I think. 00:01:56.460 --> 00:02:02.920 How Security Professionals Are Being Attacked, A Study of Malicious CVE Proof of Concept Exploits 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:03.460 and GitHub. 00:02:03.460 --> 00:02:04.980 Have you run across this? 00:02:04.980 --> 00:02:05.560 No. 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:06.300 Interesting. 00:02:06.300 --> 00:02:11.720 So it sounds like it doesn't totally apply as maybe a Python programmer thing. 00:02:11.720 --> 00:02:12.500 But here's the deal. 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:18.700 In order to, when these CVEs, these vulnerabilities come out and get announced, a lot of times people 00:02:18.700 --> 00:02:20.000 are like, oh my gosh, there's some problem. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.780 But like, what does it manifest like? 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:27.280 If I'm going to write some code to explore it, to understand it, to do all the various things, 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.640 how do I get started, right? 00:02:28.640 --> 00:02:29.960 A lot of these are super complicated. 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:34.020 And so what people will do is they'll post a simple proof of concept. 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:39.260 Like, imagine you've got a sandboxed web browser and it shouldn't be able to access, like, for 00:02:39.260 --> 00:02:42.100 example, your processes and other parts of your file system. 00:02:42.100 --> 00:02:47.580 So if I went to a web page, I could make it pop up, I don't know, notepad with the text. 00:02:47.580 --> 00:02:48.620 No, no, no, no, no, no. 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:49.220 We got you. 00:02:49.220 --> 00:02:50.360 You know, something silly like that. 00:02:50.360 --> 00:02:51.580 You're like, oh my God, it opened notepad. 00:02:51.580 --> 00:03:00.320 Well, these people did some research and they found 47,000 posted proofs of concept. 00:03:00.320 --> 00:03:04.100 And let's see, somewhere it's in the article. 00:03:04.100 --> 00:03:06.580 They talk about the actual language breakdown. 00:03:06.580 --> 00:03:07.320 Here you go. 00:03:07.320 --> 00:03:10.480 So when they said, what languages are these written in? 00:03:10.760 --> 00:03:15.380 HTML, 300, Ruby, 300, Go, 400, C++, 1,000. 00:03:15.380 --> 00:03:17.080 Python, 8,000. 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.260 So that's a lot, right? 00:03:20.260 --> 00:03:25.400 So Python is, by a factor of eight, the most common language that they are able to determine 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.300 the language of the exploit. 00:03:27.300 --> 00:03:29.940 So it's something that really kind of applies to us. 00:03:30.180 --> 00:03:32.360 Of the, how many were there? 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:35.260 There was like 47,000 of them. 00:03:35.260 --> 00:03:41.500 And out of those, 4,800 or 10% were malicious, which sounds like, so what? 00:03:41.500 --> 00:03:43.300 It's a proof of concept of a malicious thing. 00:03:43.300 --> 00:03:45.220 No, it's like a meta malicious. 00:03:45.220 --> 00:03:46.040 So here's the deal. 00:03:46.040 --> 00:03:51.020 It says, we will show you how you can break into Active Directory on this new exploit. 00:03:51.020 --> 00:03:53.640 What it really does is installs ransomware on your computer. 00:03:53.640 --> 00:03:59.520 So if you as a person are like, I want to try this out and see if our system is vulnerable. 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:04.120 Like instead of it doing what it said it would do, it just takes over your computer. 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.300 And there's various ways in which it does it. 00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:08.540 It might contact like a known malicious. 00:04:08.540 --> 00:04:09.560 No, I know. 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:12.060 There are some lulls in there to be sure. 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:18.440 But the idea is there's some, it'll like take your, you know, your SSH keys and like 00:04:18.440 --> 00:04:21.600 upload them to some malicious, you know, pastebin type place. 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:28.800 Or it will install crypto miners or it'll install, you know, ransomware encryption types of things. 00:04:28.860 --> 00:04:32.360 And a few of them say, you shouldn't have just run code off the internet. 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:33.420 What are you doing? 00:04:33.420 --> 00:04:34.700 And it'll like rickroll you. 00:04:34.700 --> 00:04:38.000 But the majority of them take, take over for real. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:39.840 So there's, isn't that nuts? 00:04:39.840 --> 00:04:40.400 Yeah. 00:04:40.400 --> 00:04:40.880 Yeah. 00:04:40.880 --> 00:04:41.200 Yeah. 00:04:41.200 --> 00:04:41.640 So. 00:04:41.640 --> 00:04:42.880 Rick rolls are hilarious. 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:43.120 I don't know. 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:43.860 Just saying. 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:44.300 They are. 00:04:44.300 --> 00:04:45.880 In the, they are. 00:04:45.940 --> 00:04:50.340 Even in the paper, there's actually some, some Python proof of code. 00:04:50.340 --> 00:04:52.400 So here let me show you down here. 00:04:52.400 --> 00:04:53.740 Like pull this up. 00:04:53.740 --> 00:05:00.020 I don't know how to link to a code listing inside of a PDF. 00:05:00.020 --> 00:05:01.600 So I'm just going to cruise. 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:02.100 Here we go. 00:05:02.380 --> 00:05:03.900 So for example, over here. 00:05:03.900 --> 00:05:08.880 So here it says, this is an example of one of these proof of concepts that shows you how things might work. 00:05:08.880 --> 00:05:10.300 And what is it going to do? 00:05:10.300 --> 00:05:15.140 It's going to go and say, it's going to sleep for a second, get your host name, create a user thing, da, da, da, da, da. 00:05:15.140 --> 00:05:23.860 And then oddly, instead of saying the URL is a thing, the URL is a base 64 decoded, encoded bunch of garbage, right? 00:05:23.860 --> 00:05:24.800 What is this? 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:29.360 This, this is the malicious website that they're going to send your information to. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.460 But when you look at it, it doesn't look like here's the virus. 00:05:32.460 --> 00:05:34.580 It's like, oh, is it just decoding this text? 00:05:34.580 --> 00:05:34.980 I see. 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:36.280 No, no, no, no. 00:05:36.280 --> 00:05:37.780 This is the virus right there. 00:05:37.780 --> 00:05:40.960 And there's way more complicated examples, but you know, pretty nuts. 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:41.380 Yeah. 00:05:41.380 --> 00:05:41.680 Anyway. 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:43.080 Plus the formatting is gross. 00:05:43.080 --> 00:05:44.640 They should really run black on this. 00:05:44.640 --> 00:05:47.080 I know they totally, they totally should. 00:05:47.080 --> 00:05:48.560 You deserve what you get if you run that. 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.760 No, this is a pretty interesting thing. 00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:58.260 And if you're in the security space, you know, if there's a 10% chance of just checking out one of these proof of concepts that you'll get owned, you know, just be aware. 00:05:58.260 --> 00:06:01.260 I mean, you consider the audience of the people creating these. 00:06:01.260 --> 00:06:04.680 So I guess, you know, a bunch of hackers are like, hey, I made this code. 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:05.400 You should try it. 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:09.400 No, but actually we should have like a search thing or something like that. 00:06:09.400 --> 00:06:12.840 Because that base 64 decode thing is a classic. 00:06:12.840 --> 00:06:14.660 Just don't touch it sort of thing. 00:06:14.660 --> 00:06:17.820 Especially if it's going into a URL or something. 00:06:17.820 --> 00:06:19.240 This is, it's not good. 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:19.600 Yeah. 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.620 They did come up with a way to automatically test for things. 00:06:22.620 --> 00:06:32.660 They said, look, if it's contacting a well-known malicious command and control type IP address, which there's a listing, a database of these types of things. 00:06:32.740 --> 00:06:34.240 It's like, you know what, that's a problem. 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.780 And here's a proof of concept that should have nothing to do with the internet. 00:06:36.780 --> 00:06:38.280 And it's uploading data. 00:06:38.280 --> 00:06:39.500 That doesn't seem like it should. 00:06:39.500 --> 00:06:39.900 Right. 00:06:39.900 --> 00:06:42.440 Or it's downloading this data from somewhere else. 00:06:42.440 --> 00:06:43.260 So, yeah. 00:06:43.260 --> 00:06:43.780 Yeah. 00:06:43.780 --> 00:06:47.660 I like that Kim has got the, he's got the glass half full. 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:51.660 A base 64 encoded URL is surely completely safe and nothing to worry about. 00:06:51.660 --> 00:06:54.640 And Marco is concerned about the SSH keys. 00:06:54.640 --> 00:06:55.720 Kind of got it. 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:55.940 Yeah. 00:06:55.940 --> 00:06:59.100 And thanks for the happy birthday wishes out in the audience as well from everyone. 00:06:59.100 --> 00:06:59.500 Yeah. 00:06:59.500 --> 00:07:00.260 Yeah. 00:07:00.260 --> 00:07:00.820 Thanks, people. 00:07:00.820 --> 00:07:01.440 All right, Brian. 00:07:01.440 --> 00:07:02.040 That's all I got. 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:03.240 But there's a really cool paper. 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:04.640 There's some proof of concepts in there. 00:07:04.640 --> 00:07:05.720 There's a couple of write-ups on it. 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:06.480 It's worth checking out. 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:06.860 Okay. 00:07:06.860 --> 00:07:07.280 Cool. 00:07:07.280 --> 00:07:11.960 Well, I actually want to talk about something completely sort of different. 00:07:11.960 --> 00:07:17.100 So, if you've, let's just, I'll go to us for a second. 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:22.500 If normally I get a lot of my news from people on Twitter. 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:27.800 But Twitter kind of is in the news lately because things are kind of going weird with Twitter. 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:29.520 So, what are people doing? 00:07:29.840 --> 00:07:34.860 Well, a lot of people, a lot of people actually are checking out Mastodon. 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:45.160 So, I'm calling this the great Mastodon experiment because tons of us, Python people, and actually tons of tech people and tons of other people also are trying out this Mastodon thing. 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:51.440 And in the back of our mind, it was, well, like, yeah, Mastodon seems kind of interesting. 00:07:51.440 --> 00:07:55.500 It's like a sort of maybe alternative to Twitter, but not many people there. 00:07:55.500 --> 00:07:57.120 Now, there's a lot of people there. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.260 Like, tons of people. 00:07:59.740 --> 00:08:02.540 I don't know what the numbers are compared to Twitter, of course. 00:08:02.540 --> 00:08:05.360 But anyway, so, I am part of this. 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:07.160 I'm part of the people that have switched. 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:13.680 But if you, like, we're showing the Mastodon, like, join Mastodon.org site. 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.620 And the first thing you want to do, okay, I want to try this. 00:08:16.620 --> 00:08:18.440 So, I have to, okay, I have to create an account. 00:08:18.740 --> 00:08:22.320 So, the first thing you're hit is, well, which server do you want to use? 00:08:22.320 --> 00:08:24.820 I was stuck here for a while, and I'm like, I don't know what to do. 00:08:24.820 --> 00:08:28.200 So, I went ahead and used Twitter, and I asked. 00:08:28.200 --> 00:08:29.240 And Will was there. 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:34.020 From, Will said he's on Mastodon.social, Will McGoogan. 00:08:34.020 --> 00:08:37.680 And I just asked, I'm still stuck on the Choosers server. 00:08:37.680 --> 00:08:38.700 What are people using? 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:45.880 And I got one reply right away saying, well, Mastodon.org has Anthony Shaw and a bunch of other people. 00:08:45.880 --> 00:08:47.280 And I'm like, good enough for me. 00:08:47.280 --> 00:08:48.720 So, I went ahead and picked it. 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.300 So, I am now on Fosstodon also. 00:08:52.300 --> 00:08:54.780 And then I'm just trying stuff. 00:08:54.780 --> 00:09:00.720 I'm like, just trying it out, playing it, playing with it, following some people, commenting, whatever. 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.120 And so far, I kind of like it. 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:04.120 It's nice. 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:09.120 Now, now that I've kind of like, I got the basics down, now I'm ready to learn some more. 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.780 And so, I put together, went through and found some tutorials. 00:09:13.780 --> 00:09:17.900 So, if anybody else wants to try this also, I found some kind of fun tutorials. 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:21.940 There's one that's called the Increasingly Less Brief Guide to Mastodon. 00:09:21.940 --> 00:09:22.760 It's big. 00:09:22.760 --> 00:09:25.800 But it's so, that's nice though. 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:30.020 It starts out with like short answers. 00:09:30.020 --> 00:09:31.780 Like, you know, what is it? 00:09:31.780 --> 00:09:32.920 How is it like Twitter? 00:09:32.920 --> 00:09:34.000 How is it not like Twitter? 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:34.680 Stuff like that. 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:40.620 And one of the things, comparisons that confused me a bit was, how is it like email? 00:09:40.620 --> 00:09:44.560 But I didn't get the analogy at first, but I kind of do now. 00:09:44.560 --> 00:09:49.260 So, the idea is you have to pick a server, but you can still follow people on other servers. 00:09:49.260 --> 00:09:53.300 Just like if you have a Gmail account, you can still email people that are not in Gmail. 00:09:53.300 --> 00:09:53.860 Works. 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:55.520 So, there's that. 00:09:55.520 --> 00:09:57.860 There's everything I know about Mastodon. 00:09:57.860 --> 00:10:00.560 Sorry, but it reminds me a little bit of like BBSs. 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:04.400 Remember, like you go to BBS and write email and then they would like sync at night. 00:10:04.400 --> 00:10:06.340 And then you might get email from some other BBS. 00:10:06.900 --> 00:10:09.000 Well, yeah, that's something I also noticed. 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.920 At first, I was a little annoyed because like it's not as zippy sometimes. 00:10:13.920 --> 00:10:15.780 Like, it's growing a lot. 00:10:15.780 --> 00:10:18.320 So, a lot of these servers are like adding capacity. 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:24.520 And so, occasionally, like the other day, the Fosstodon server was down for a couple hours. 00:10:24.520 --> 00:10:26.020 And I'm like, oh my God. 00:10:26.020 --> 00:10:30.800 Actually, I'll be fine if I don't use a social media app for two hours. 00:10:30.800 --> 00:10:31.620 Just chill. 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:36.420 And so, yeah, it's interesting. 00:10:36.420 --> 00:10:38.980 There's a lot of stuff I've learned so far. 00:10:38.980 --> 00:10:41.560 Like, it's not filtering what I'm seeing. 00:10:41.560 --> 00:10:44.420 I actually just see everything that people write that I'm following. 00:10:44.420 --> 00:10:45.860 Actually, isn't that what I wanted? 00:10:45.860 --> 00:10:48.160 So, I'm pretty okay with it. 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:50.500 So, I put together, I'll go through a couple of these. 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:51.680 There's everything I know. 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:54.000 It's targeted towards data science people. 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:55.620 But there's a lot of great info there. 00:10:55.620 --> 00:11:00.560 And then Simon Willison, he's trying this out too, said, 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:04.380 Mastodon is just blogs. 00:11:04.380 --> 00:11:07.460 So, I was confused by that. 00:11:07.460 --> 00:11:14.360 But he describes how it's like it uses this active pub feature and gets into a little details. 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:17.420 But I think he knows what he's talking about because he wrote his own. 00:11:17.420 --> 00:11:18.680 He's on his own server. 00:11:18.680 --> 00:11:21.520 So, you can have your own Mastodon server. 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.940 But some of the people trying it out at the same time, we've got some big names. 00:11:26.940 --> 00:11:28.780 Lucas Lange, he's trying it out. 00:11:28.780 --> 00:11:32.080 He linked to a couple of things that he's learning about. 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.160 You know, it's really supposed to repost in multiple places. 00:11:35.160 --> 00:11:36.020 Things like that. 00:11:36.020 --> 00:11:37.920 I've got Brett Cannon figuring it out. 00:11:37.920 --> 00:11:41.560 So, a lot of us over here having a little bit of fun with Mastodon. 00:11:42.740 --> 00:11:43.500 That's fantastic. 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:43.980 Yeah. 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:50.460 So, fosstodon.org is the free and open source software Mastodon one, right? 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:50.720 Yeah. 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:54.840 But a lot of people are on, so like a lot of people are on Mastodon.social. 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:56.860 Here's a cool article. 00:11:56.860 --> 00:11:57.820 Oh, yeah. 00:11:59.280 --> 00:12:03.020 Clients-wise, there's a whole bunch of iPhone clients, too. 00:12:03.020 --> 00:12:04.820 But you can use it on the web or anything. 00:12:04.820 --> 00:12:11.180 Lucas is on, or Lokesh, I'm sorry, is on Mastodon.social also. 00:12:11.180 --> 00:12:13.100 Brett's on Fosstodon. 00:12:13.100 --> 00:12:14.740 But there's a whole bunch of others as well. 00:12:14.740 --> 00:12:15.480 Yeah. 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.940 You have to apply to get in there. 00:12:17.940 --> 00:12:20.420 So, I applied, but I have not been let in yet. 00:12:20.420 --> 00:12:23.140 So, hopefully, they will find me worthy and I can join you. 00:12:23.140 --> 00:12:24.380 Okay. 00:12:24.380 --> 00:12:25.920 Let's see. 00:12:25.920 --> 00:12:27.260 Well, I know some of them. 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:31.640 So, some of them are, since these are private things, there's got like people running their 00:12:31.640 --> 00:12:36.620 own servers, there's funding models on each of them. 00:12:36.620 --> 00:12:40.980 And like Fosstodon, for instance, said they want to make sure that they always have six months 00:12:40.980 --> 00:12:42.900 of running time or something like that. 00:12:42.900 --> 00:12:45.360 And that's cool enough for me. 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:45.980 So, anyway. 00:12:45.980 --> 00:12:46.380 Yeah. 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:51.940 I'd be happy to pay a dollar or two a month just to have no ads and have a well-curated, 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:54.020 somewhat not terrible space. 00:12:54.020 --> 00:12:55.480 You know, yeah. 00:12:55.540 --> 00:12:59.480 I wasn't really getting to get into the politics of it, but the whole $8 a month thing. 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:04.420 Actually, if I could have got rid of ads and actually got some other cool features, I probably 00:13:04.420 --> 00:13:05.240 would have paid it anyway. 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:07.040 I just don't want to pay it now. 00:13:07.040 --> 00:13:08.340 I'd be like two months ago. 00:13:08.340 --> 00:13:11.100 I probably wouldn't have been up for it, but I don't want to do that right now. 00:13:11.100 --> 00:13:11.640 Yeah. 00:13:11.640 --> 00:13:12.100 I don't know. 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:14.360 I have no intention of leaving Twitter at the moment. 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:18.440 There's still like a really valuable community for the podcast listeners and stuff. 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:23.060 But I do think it's also super interesting to reach out to these other spaces. 00:13:23.060 --> 00:13:24.260 Mastodon is one. 00:13:24.260 --> 00:13:27.700 It's kind of interesting in that there's a bunch of little islands. 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:32.800 And the thing that's cool about Twitter is you go to the continent and then you find your 00:13:32.800 --> 00:13:33.720 space within that. 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:34.860 It's like, here you got it. 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:37.020 What is the place I go to? 00:13:37.020 --> 00:13:38.940 I'm telling you, this is like BBSs. 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:43.760 What BBS has the place where there's kind of cool conversations and good games I can play? 00:13:43.940 --> 00:13:45.080 You dial that one up. 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:49.940 Or we could just go back to like, you know, Planet Python and RSS feeds for everybody. 00:13:49.940 --> 00:13:50.780 Yeah. 00:13:50.780 --> 00:13:51.960 Nothing wrong with RSS. 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:52.580 Cool. 00:13:52.580 --> 00:13:53.880 Well, thanks for bringing that up. 00:13:53.880 --> 00:13:56.020 I have some more thoughts on this as well later. 00:13:56.020 --> 00:13:59.220 But for now, for now, maybe we could talk about our sponsor. 00:13:59.220 --> 00:13:59.740 What do you think? 00:13:59.740 --> 00:14:03.720 We 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00:15:55.800 --> 00:15:56.780 Oh, you're on mute. 00:15:56.780 --> 00:15:57.660 I am. 00:15:57.660 --> 00:15:58.800 Thank you, Microsoft. 00:15:58.800 --> 00:16:01.120 And yeah, let's move on. 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.140 A couple of these things are about continued journeys. 00:16:04.140 --> 00:16:06.780 Sometimes we're on a journey, you know? 00:16:06.780 --> 00:16:07.180 Yeah. 00:16:07.380 --> 00:16:14.140 And, switch it over, Thiri, over on Twitter, not Mastodon yet, sent us a message and said, 00:16:14.140 --> 00:16:15.800 hey, nice episode. 00:16:15.800 --> 00:16:23.240 You know, remember I was on this, I talked about like Panix, SSH, a thing called Prompt, 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.180 and some of the other ways I was trying to like, well, how do I just take my iPad and no keyboards 00:16:27.180 --> 00:16:32.420 and no extra stuff and just have a little DevOps-y coding environment, right? 00:16:32.420 --> 00:16:35.460 So, Thiri says, you should check out Gitpod. 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:36.340 Have you heard of Gitpod? 00:16:36.700 --> 00:16:37.100 No. 00:16:37.100 --> 00:16:37.720 No. 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.700 Pod as in pods from Kubernetes. 00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:46.880 But here, he says, you know, basically I'll just pull up and show you what it is. 00:16:46.880 --> 00:16:51.140 So, if you go over here, the idea is, it says, always ready to code. 00:16:51.140 --> 00:16:52.280 Like, that sounds cool, right? 00:16:52.280 --> 00:16:53.920 And I love, look at this little graphic, right? 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:56.680 Okay, you're like, your chair is an enter button. 00:16:56.680 --> 00:16:57.600 I love it. 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.460 Oh, I didn't notice that right at first. 00:16:59.460 --> 00:16:59.820 That's cool. 00:16:59.820 --> 00:17:00.340 Yeah. 00:17:00.340 --> 00:17:04.340 And by the way, they just, this happened, I think, since this got sent over, they just 00:17:04.340 --> 00:17:06.720 scraped a $25 million Siris A round. 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.340 So, there's a good, you know, there's a lot of effort behind this, right? 00:17:09.340 --> 00:17:16.060 Gitpod is, I believe there's an open source version and then like a hosted version as well. 00:17:16.060 --> 00:17:24.640 So, the idea is, what you can do is, I can go and it'll create a Kubernetes Docker type 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:26.260 image that I can configure. 00:17:26.260 --> 00:17:30.120 So, basically a Linux machine that's isolated for me, which is nice. 00:17:30.580 --> 00:17:33.880 And then, I can log into it one of two ways. 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:35.240 I can log into it in the browser. 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:40.680 And just like if you go to GitHub.dev, which is what I suggested before, in the browser, this 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:45.860 connects to your own environment, which the thing that's cool about this is it's that environment, 00:17:45.860 --> 00:17:48.300 you have root access to do whatever you want to it. 00:17:48.300 --> 00:17:52.100 So, if you got to pip install something that's weird or whatever, like, you're not like, oh, 00:17:52.100 --> 00:17:53.560 well, sorry, you can't install this dependency. 00:17:53.560 --> 00:17:54.400 Too bad, right? 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:55.160 It's just, it's yours. 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:56.120 You do whatever you want with it. 00:17:56.120 --> 00:17:57.020 And that's in the browser. 00:17:57.020 --> 00:18:01.500 So, on your iPad browser, for example, or if you happen to be on the desktop and what 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:03.920 you want is just like a, I'm on an ARM machine. 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:09.300 I want an x86 machine or I want a Linux machine that's like production and that is not just my 00:18:09.300 --> 00:18:10.620 Mac or my Windows machine. 00:18:10.620 --> 00:18:14.640 You can actually connect to it with a full-on VS Code or even PyCharm. 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:20.400 You can plug directly into it and remotely edit locally on PyCharm locally, but then like 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.240 debug and run your environment there. 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:23.760 Wow. 00:18:23.760 --> 00:18:24.160 What is that? 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.160 That's really cool. 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:25.480 Yeah. 00:18:25.560 --> 00:18:32.580 It also works for IntelliJ, the Go, basically all the VS Code and all the JetBrains IDEs, 00:18:32.580 --> 00:18:33.840 which is like a huge long list. 00:18:33.840 --> 00:18:35.100 And Vim, and also Vim. 00:18:35.100 --> 00:18:35.740 Wow. 00:18:35.740 --> 00:18:37.700 So, anyway, this is really cool. 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:42.720 And there's one of the recommendations or like the reasons for it. 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:44.780 It says, look, you can do multi-track development. 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:51.420 So if I'm working on a feature branch and I'm working on main dev and I'm trying to do a bug 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:56.900 fix instead of, you know, staging or stashing and then checking out and then try that, then 00:18:56.900 --> 00:19:00.840 unstat, you know, check over to the other thing, unstat, like, you know, juggling one working 00:19:00.840 --> 00:19:01.160 environment. 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:05.460 You can have multiples of these Git pods, one for each part of your project, even. 00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:09.960 Bring it closer to your Linux and Docker runtime. 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:14.660 You can even do like paired programming on it, which is kind of interesting. 00:19:14.660 --> 00:19:19.300 And here they got an example of it running on an iPad. 00:19:19.740 --> 00:19:23.280 And apparently you can install like a bunch of different extensions and stuff and like, 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:24.660 you know, configure up your thing. 00:19:24.660 --> 00:19:29.100 So there's an open source version, which is free from big tech influence. 00:19:29.100 --> 00:19:34.960 But there's also, you can get their version on the cloud or you can self-host it or whatever. 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:35.460 Right. 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:38.480 And so there is a paid component to this. 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.760 Like this, you know, they got $25 million, right? 00:19:40.760 --> 00:19:42.900 It's not just like to set on fire, although maybe. 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:47.200 There's a free version, which gives you 50 hours of coding a month. 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:47.800 That's pretty good. 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:53.220 Or you can pay $9 a month for 100 hours or there's like other higher tiers, 25, 40 bucks 00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:53.600 and stuff. 00:19:53.600 --> 00:19:57.440 But it's open source and there's some free versions and reasonably priced versions. 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:58.360 And yeah, I don't know. 00:19:58.360 --> 00:19:59.440 I think it's pretty cool. 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.180 So thanks, Theory, for sending it over. 00:20:01.180 --> 00:20:04.100 And, you know, it's definitely an option out there. 00:20:04.100 --> 00:20:04.920 Yeah. 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.260 And the self-hosted also looks like an option as well. 00:20:08.260 --> 00:20:08.980 Yeah, exactly. 00:20:08.980 --> 00:20:09.860 So you can self-host. 00:20:09.860 --> 00:20:14.200 I think you basically probably set up a Kubernetes cluster and like it connects and goes against 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:14.440 that. 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:15.040 Oh, yeah. 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:17.220 Just throw up a Kubernetes cluster. 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:17.720 Yeah. 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:18.120 Exactly. 00:20:18.120 --> 00:20:19.520 All right. 00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:21.500 Well, I haven't. 00:20:21.500 --> 00:20:25.180 I did play around with it and it worked pretty well, but I haven't done anything serious. 00:20:25.180 --> 00:20:26.660 It still looks cool, though. 00:20:26.660 --> 00:20:27.200 I like it. 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:27.580 Yeah. 00:20:27.580 --> 00:20:28.280 Yeah, absolutely. 00:20:28.280 --> 00:20:28.840 All right. 00:20:28.840 --> 00:20:30.000 What's your last one here? 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.940 Oh, last one is a short one. 00:20:32.060 --> 00:20:35.080 I just wanted to talk about terminal colors. 00:20:35.080 --> 00:20:41.040 So I've got a little pytest plugin called pytest-check. 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:43.440 And it's got some terminal output. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:44.440 but it does talk about failures. 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:45.360 But it does talk about failures. 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:52.540 And somebody completely reasonably submitted an issue and said, it'd be cool if these were 00:20:52.540 --> 00:20:55.060 red so you could see them easier. 00:20:55.060 --> 00:20:57.000 And I'm like, yeah, that would be cool. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:58.860 So what should I do? 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.740 Well, I could, you know, Will, I want to let you know that the first thing I thought about 00:21:04.740 --> 00:21:05.880 was I could throw a rich at it. 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.740 So I could use rich to put red in the terminal. 00:21:09.740 --> 00:21:12.320 And but rich is now rich is awesome. 00:21:12.520 --> 00:21:18.900 I love rich, but maybe it's a bit of a big hammer for for just adding one color. 00:21:18.900 --> 00:21:19.820 I just had a red. 00:21:19.820 --> 00:21:26.220 So I went looking around a little bit and there's term color and there's colorama. 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:27.940 There's other things I ended up. 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:30.880 I'm looking at colorama right now is what I'm playing with. 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.660 So colorama is used by a lot of applications. 00:21:34.660 --> 00:21:42.120 And one of the reasons why is because it helps with the cross being able to use colors on both 00:21:42.120 --> 00:21:44.480 both windows and everything else. 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:45.900 Windows is a little special. 00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:48.080 It doesn't act like the other stuff. 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:49.980 So you have to do things a bit special. 00:21:49.980 --> 00:21:55.780 And I was kind of glad I looked at this because one of the things that came up recently in one 00:21:55.780 --> 00:22:02.100 of the new versions is colorama has a thing called just fix windows console. 00:22:02.100 --> 00:22:05.700 It's just a from colorama import, just fix windows console. 00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:06.680 And you call that. 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:11.220 And after you call that, then your window, if you're running your application on windows, 00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:16.280 it acts just like a normal TTY terminal on Linux or Mac or something. 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:16.800 Oh, wow. 00:22:16.800 --> 00:22:19.260 At least in terms of a lot of stuff. 00:22:19.260 --> 00:22:25.420 The other thing that just fixed windows console, I think I got this right, is it's you used to 00:22:25.420 --> 00:22:26.420 have to call a nit. 00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:28.080 And now you call this other thing. 00:22:28.080 --> 00:22:30.660 But you can you can call that on Mac also. 00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:31.920 And it just doesn't hurt anything. 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:32.340 It's fine. 00:22:32.340 --> 00:22:34.060 So you can. 00:22:34.060 --> 00:22:38.380 And now after you've done that in it, and there's a whole bunch of text here that I just skimmed 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:39.180 really briefly. 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:40.560 I just wanted it to work. 00:22:40.560 --> 00:22:41.800 Just call that. 00:22:41.800 --> 00:22:46.960 And then you can use these these color codes like for four dot red, for instance. 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:47.760 That's what I wanted. 00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:48.760 Some red text. 00:22:48.760 --> 00:22:49.800 And there I've got it. 00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:53.940 So after you change change stuff around, you also have to reset it. 00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:55.100 So there's a reset code. 00:22:55.100 --> 00:22:56.540 Now you can do the same thing. 00:22:56.540 --> 00:23:05.220 And it has it on there, there read me is you can use the hex or whatever color code escape 00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:05.720 sequences. 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:09.560 So backslash zero three three bracket. 00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:11.580 31 M is red. 00:23:11.580 --> 00:23:15.640 But I don't I think I'll go with the named ones. 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.340 How about some constants instead? 00:23:17.340 --> 00:23:17.740 Yeah. 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:19.100 Yeah. 00:23:19.100 --> 00:23:20.940 So this is pretty cool. 00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:26.880 And I think I kind of think this is where I'm going to go with with adding red to my 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:27.360 test check. 00:23:27.360 --> 00:23:32.940 So if you want just a little bit of color and nothing that you need rich for, colorama might 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:33.620 be what you want. 00:23:33.620 --> 00:23:34.820 So nice. 00:23:34.820 --> 00:23:38.860 Colorama is definitely a go to for me when I just want like this needs to be red or green. 00:23:38.860 --> 00:23:40.280 It just needs to stand out somehow. 00:23:40.280 --> 00:23:41.220 For sure. 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:41.800 It's very cool. 00:23:41.800 --> 00:23:42.200 Yeah. 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:42.520 Cool. 00:23:42.520 --> 00:23:43.020 Awesome. 00:23:43.020 --> 00:23:43.580 All right. 00:23:43.580 --> 00:23:44.900 Well, that brings us to our extras, huh? 00:23:44.900 --> 00:23:45.600 Yeah. 00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:46.580 Do you get any extras? 00:23:46.580 --> 00:23:47.900 You know, I do. 00:23:47.900 --> 00:23:48.740 Let's see. 00:23:49.980 --> 00:23:52.340 Some of these are quick, some slightly more. 00:23:52.340 --> 00:23:59.720 So Roman Wright, who often we find here in the live streams as well, maker of Beanie. 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:00.600 Love Beanie. 00:24:00.600 --> 00:24:05.300 Beanie is powering Pythonbytes.fm, by the way, for various other things. 00:24:05.300 --> 00:24:06.500 So super awesome. 00:24:06.500 --> 00:24:08.120 He'd been thinking. 00:24:08.120 --> 00:24:12.600 And so Beanie is Pydantic plus MongoDB async. 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:15.580 And so there's plenty of reasons why we might want a synchronous API. 00:24:15.580 --> 00:24:19.120 I'm just in the middle of some script and I just need to talk to the database real quick. 00:24:19.120 --> 00:24:22.540 Like, do I really need to upgrade this whole thing to handle async code? 00:24:22.540 --> 00:24:24.000 Shouldn't there just be a way to call it? 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:24.500 There should. 00:24:24.500 --> 00:24:31.860 And so he created a derivative or mirrored version that is like Beanie, but has a synchronous 00:24:31.860 --> 00:24:33.580 set of APIs instead of asynchronous. 00:24:33.580 --> 00:24:37.640 API is called Bunnet, which I don't know the word Bunnet, but I think it has something 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.220 to do with like something to do with a bean. 00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:41.720 I'm not sure. 00:24:42.340 --> 00:24:46.880 But anyway, Bunnet, it's similar to Beanie, except for you just don't await things, right? 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:50.900 You just use the pipe Mongo base instead of the motor client under the hood. 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:55.820 And then you just, you know, do thing insert or thing dot find one or whatever. 00:24:55.820 --> 00:25:00.420 So people can check that out if they're into Beanie, but they don't want the async version. 00:25:00.420 --> 00:25:01.040 Hmm. 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:01.880 Yeah. 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.620 So I just looked it up. 00:25:03.620 --> 00:25:08.160 A Bunnet is a, it's, it's a type of hat. 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:09.380 It's like a Scottish hat. 00:25:09.380 --> 00:25:09.880 Okay. 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.200 Well, that would explain the icon here. 00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.200 Maybe it looks like a bean, but it's actually a hat. 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:16.600 Oh, Roman's here. 00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:17.040 Hey, Roman. 00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:18.320 So this is a Scottish word. 00:25:18.320 --> 00:25:18.840 Fabulous. 00:25:18.840 --> 00:25:22.440 And Will McGugan is a Bunnet is a hat worn by old Scottish men. 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:22.760 Lovely. 00:25:22.760 --> 00:25:24.080 Cool. 00:25:24.860 --> 00:25:25.220 Awesome. 00:25:25.220 --> 00:25:27.260 And congrats Roman on getting that out there. 00:25:27.260 --> 00:25:27.660 That's awesome. 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:32.460 PyCon, you brought up PyCon 2023 last week. 00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:32.860 Yeah. 00:25:32.860 --> 00:25:38.500 They've got this cool, like tile sort of celebration of history on their website. 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:41.720 And they tell you that it will be April 19 to 27. 00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:43.700 There's a small problem with that though. 00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:45.500 How actionable is it? 00:25:45.500 --> 00:25:50.620 If I want to go to the conference and I want to go see the main talks, when do I book my travel? 00:25:50.620 --> 00:25:51.300 Yeah. 00:25:51.300 --> 00:25:52.100 The whole thing. 00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:52.800 Just stay there. 00:25:52.800 --> 00:25:53.800 It's awesome, right? 00:25:53.800 --> 00:25:56.740 I can come to the tutorials and do the week of sprints after. 00:25:56.740 --> 00:25:57.500 I don't know. 00:25:57.500 --> 00:25:58.040 That's a lot. 00:25:58.040 --> 00:26:04.640 And so I reached out to Twitter and Marietta says, tutorials are on Wednesdays and Thursdays. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.240 Talks, keynotes, expo halls are Friday to Sunday. 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:09.600 And from Monday onwards, those are the sprints. 00:26:09.600 --> 00:26:10.220 Perfect. 00:26:10.220 --> 00:26:11.020 Perfect. 00:26:11.020 --> 00:26:17.100 So yesterday, while I was getting studded winter tires put on my car so I can go to the mountains 00:26:17.100 --> 00:26:22.280 and not die, I decided to go ahead and book my travel and I'm going to go to the conference. 00:26:22.280 --> 00:26:23.840 We talked about maybe we'll go, maybe not. 00:26:23.840 --> 00:26:24.900 I'm going to go for a whole week. 00:26:24.900 --> 00:26:27.200 I'm going to show up on Thursday and leave on the next Thursday. 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.360 Maybe be part of the sprints, but definitely do a ton of podcasting while I'm there and try 00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:33.500 to just make it like a, other people will be sprinting out. 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:33.640 Okay. 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:35.660 I'm going to be sprinting on podcast episodes. 00:26:35.660 --> 00:26:38.120 I got to decide what I'm going to do. 00:26:38.120 --> 00:26:39.060 I haven't decided yet. 00:26:39.060 --> 00:26:39.800 I'll probably go. 00:26:39.800 --> 00:26:41.820 Flights are still pretty cheap right now. 00:26:41.820 --> 00:26:43.480 They might be like hotels and stuff. 00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.080 I think there are really a lot of variations. 00:26:46.080 --> 00:26:48.020 Like there was, I was like, oh, maybe I'll stay at the Hilton. 00:26:48.020 --> 00:26:49.300 $3,300. 00:26:49.300 --> 00:26:50.600 Like, yeah, maybe I won't stay at the Hilton. 00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:51.060 What else? 00:26:51.060 --> 00:26:53.940 So I think people are starting to book it out. 00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:54.360 Okay. 00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:54.820 Yeah. 00:26:54.820 --> 00:26:55.160 Anyway. 00:26:55.760 --> 00:26:57.860 Thank you, Marietta, for sharing that information. 00:26:57.860 --> 00:27:03.860 It makes it much easier for us to plan about participating or even just watching PyCon online. 00:27:03.860 --> 00:27:04.260 Yeah. 00:27:04.260 --> 00:27:04.560 Cool. 00:27:04.560 --> 00:27:04.860 Yeah. 00:27:04.860 --> 00:27:05.360 All right. 00:27:05.360 --> 00:27:08.840 Quick shout outs to GeForce Now. 00:27:08.840 --> 00:27:09.980 Have you heard of GeForce Now? 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:10.660 No. 00:27:10.660 --> 00:27:13.400 So my daughter's really into gaming these days. 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:19.580 Plays a bunch of like horse riding games and Minecraft and Planet Zoo. 00:27:19.580 --> 00:27:24.800 And there's like a cool Jurassic Park thing that's like a Sims, but for dinosaurs. 00:27:25.080 --> 00:27:29.980 Most of these games run on Windows and we have an Alienware computer, but it's like all set 00:27:29.980 --> 00:27:31.040 up for my SimRacing. 00:27:31.040 --> 00:27:33.760 So it's kind of hard to play games on that don't involve a steering wheel. 00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:36.200 And she's like, how can I play these games on my PC? 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.280 I'm like, or my Mac, right? 00:27:38.280 --> 00:27:39.720 She has a MacBook Air. 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.280 Like, I don't know. 00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:44.760 She's like, how could I play if I'm not at home and I can stream? 00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:46.760 So we try out GeForce Now. 00:27:46.760 --> 00:27:51.880 Basically, they'll give you a high-end Windows computer and like a GeForce 3080. 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:55.280 And it just streams like Netflix to your PC. 00:27:55.280 --> 00:27:57.340 And it is super low latency. 00:27:57.340 --> 00:27:59.960 I mean, it's like you're really just playing it there, but you're not. 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:01.280 It's pretty awesome. 00:28:01.280 --> 00:28:05.800 Oh, so you can play a game on a remote computer then? 00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:06.560 Yeah. 00:28:06.560 --> 00:28:11.360 Or I mean, you can play it on your iPad or you can play it on your iPhone or Android or 00:28:11.360 --> 00:28:12.800 on your Mac or whatever. 00:28:12.800 --> 00:28:15.240 And they've got a completely 100% free tier. 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:16.960 So it's pretty nuts. 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:17.740 We should check that out. 00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:20.740 Anyway, that was a cool techno experience. 00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:22.920 Two new YouTube videos I've released. 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.060 One five days ago. 00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:24.880 One five hours ago. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:25.700 How about that for timing? 00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:26.600 Nice. 00:28:26.600 --> 00:28:32.000 So as part of this sort of social media, Twitter madness and various other things, I've been 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:32.840 thinking about this for a while. 00:28:32.840 --> 00:28:38.900 Anyway, I'm like, I really want to try to build up my presence on other areas that are not just 00:28:38.900 --> 00:28:39.140 Twitter. 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:42.840 And so like, well, YouTube might be one fun place to sort of build up a community. 00:28:42.840 --> 00:28:44.360 So I'm starting to add more videos there. 00:28:44.360 --> 00:28:44.560 Right. 00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:47.780 So like I've done in the past couple of weeks, I've done four videos. 00:28:47.780 --> 00:28:51.320 But the last two is a walrus meets a python, which is fun. 00:28:51.320 --> 00:28:52.740 That's about the walrus operator. 00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:58.300 And then the one that came out today is Python GC settings, which shows some insane stuff 00:28:58.300 --> 00:29:01.620 you can do to tweak the GC a little bit and get crazy better performance. 00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:02.520 Nice. 00:29:02.520 --> 00:29:04.720 The GPC being the garbage collector, right? 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:05.240 Yes. 00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:08.520 Not reference counting, which does like 99.9% of Python memory. 00:29:08.520 --> 00:29:12.380 The 0.1% or the 0.1%, whatever's left over. 00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:16.820 Like that actually, you often can turn that down because you don't really have cycles that 00:29:16.820 --> 00:29:17.760 much that get lost. 00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:20.880 And it turns out to have some pretty interesting effects. 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.240 We talked, we think we covered, was, was it Instagram? 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.860 I think, I think they wrote an article called dismissing the garbage collector where they 00:29:27.860 --> 00:29:29.440 literally turned it off in production. 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.960 It was either that or, or I can't remember which one, which company did it, but this is 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.260 kind of like a, well, let's don't be so aggressive like that, but kind of, you know, and it's, 00:29:38.260 --> 00:29:39.000 it's pretty, yeah. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:39.320 Nice. 00:29:39.320 --> 00:29:40.320 People can check those out. 00:29:40.320 --> 00:29:41.240 yeah. 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:46.800 So one of the things, that I, the only extra I've got is, I really liked this 00:29:46.800 --> 00:29:50.380 article, from Simon and Wilson about what to blog about. 00:29:50.380 --> 00:29:55.400 So a lot of, so people are, you have a presence somewhere other than Twitter, like, and maybe 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.460 write, start writing your blog more. 00:29:57.460 --> 00:30:01.800 and I like this, what to blog about with the, he goes through a couple of things. 00:30:01.800 --> 00:30:03.880 One of the things is the today I learned. 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:09.120 And I, you know, I actually, at first, when I first encountered the TIL thing, I first was 00:30:09.120 --> 00:30:11.100 like, why not, why do you need that? 00:30:11.100 --> 00:30:13.280 Can't you just like, just write what you learned anyway? 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:18.420 But a lot of people have this paralysis of if I write how to do something, people are 00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:22.060 going to think it's a tutorial and I don't know how to do everything with this tool. 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:24.960 I just learned this little thing of how to do fix my thing. 00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:30.340 So, the T to D the TIL at least is a tag that people will know. 00:30:30.540 --> 00:30:32.260 It's, it's not a full tutorial. 00:30:32.260 --> 00:30:35.260 It's just a little snippet of somebody learned about this thing. 00:30:35.260 --> 00:30:38.780 And, and I think this is a great way to go about, writing it. 00:30:38.780 --> 00:30:41.740 It can be, it can be short and simple, or it can be longer. 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:46.220 Plus also, if you build up a lot of these around a topic, it might turn into a tutorial 00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:46.600 later. 00:30:46.600 --> 00:30:51.580 So, cause you can, you, now that you've learned a ton, you can write a blog or longer 00:30:51.580 --> 00:30:52.520 blog post about it. 00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:56.660 I also just want to tell people that it doesn't have to be a, like a full tutorial. 00:30:56.660 --> 00:31:00.080 You don't have to compete with real Python or other places. 00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:02.720 You can just do a short thing you learned about. 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:03.560 It doesn't have to be. 00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:04.040 Okay. 00:31:04.040 --> 00:31:08.480 The other thing he talked about was projects is to write about projects that you've done. 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.000 and, and I think that's a great idea. 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:17.240 And, but I also want to make sure that people understand also the things you're working on, 00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:17.460 right? 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:17.760 Right. 00:31:17.760 --> 00:31:22.900 As you're building stuff, this can be part of the TIL, but it could just be, this 00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:23.520 is the fate. 00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:27.920 And it's also another way to limit the scope, like, color in the terminal. 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.780 I don't want to write about all of color in the terminal, but maybe I could write about 00:31:31.780 --> 00:31:35.400 the, just fixing this one bug or this one feature request. 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:40.360 What I went through to figure out how to figure out how to use colorama and, and then how 00:31:40.360 --> 00:31:42.740 do I detect whether it's a TTY terminal or not? 00:31:42.740 --> 00:31:43.780 things like that. 00:31:43.780 --> 00:31:46.020 That can be a decent article just to write about that. 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:51.560 and so I think these, this, these are great tips for, unblocking yourself. 00:31:51.560 --> 00:31:56.680 The other thing I want to tell people about is, you, if, is, if you covered it, you've 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:01.340 learned it from somebody else's blog also already, but you, it didn't quite meet your needs 00:32:01.340 --> 00:32:02.820 and you looked at other places. 00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:08.260 that means that there is a tutorial out there that's missing and it's the one that 00:32:08.260 --> 00:32:10.060 kind of myth fits your brain. 00:32:10.060 --> 00:32:15.700 You can rewrite something that is, is similar to what other people have written about and 00:32:15.700 --> 00:32:18.040 just write it in a different way that fits you better. 00:32:18.040 --> 00:32:20.380 And that'll maybe fit other people better too. 00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:21.440 So there's nothing wrong with that. 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:22.820 It doesn't have to be completely unique. 00:32:23.080 --> 00:32:23.800 Yeah, absolutely. 00:32:23.800 --> 00:32:24.380 Definitely. 00:32:24.380 --> 00:32:24.880 It doesn't. 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:25.240 I like it. 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:26.060 That's all I got. 00:32:26.060 --> 00:32:26.500 Came out there. 00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:26.940 Yeah. 00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:27.380 Came out there. 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:32.300 Says TILs are also handy to reread from time to time and remind yourself of things you've 00:32:32.300 --> 00:32:33.220 figured out than forgotten. 00:32:33.220 --> 00:32:33.600 Yeah. 00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:36.600 Like you can see the search engines with stuff that you knew. 00:32:36.600 --> 00:32:38.460 And then when you forget it, you can find it again. 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.580 And you know, that's how I started blogging and I didn't call it TIL. 00:32:41.580 --> 00:32:45.780 I would just, I had a blog, nobody was reading and I would just, throw up stuff 00:32:45.780 --> 00:32:48.880 like, commands that I looked up like commands from a tool. 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:54.120 Like, I always forget how to change my commit message if after I've committed too 00:32:54.120 --> 00:32:54.520 fast. 00:32:54.520 --> 00:32:59.640 so throwing up a little post about git commit amend would be fine. 00:32:59.640 --> 00:32:59.760 Yeah. 00:32:59.760 --> 00:33:00.920 So yeah, absolutely. 00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:01.520 All right. 00:33:01.520 --> 00:33:05.460 Well, this has been a fun episode, but it's still good sometimes to just take a moment and 00:33:05.460 --> 00:33:05.940 relax. 00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:06.260 Right. 00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:06.660 Yeah. 00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:07.080 Yeah. 00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:10.460 I mean, some people, I took my dog for a walk in the woods during sunrise. 00:33:10.460 --> 00:33:14.900 There was like this fog that some, for some people getting out in nature is amazing. 00:33:14.900 --> 00:33:18.720 But as software developers, a lot of times you want to get kind of close to the 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:24.380 code or like close to the heart of technology and what, what speaks heart of technology 00:33:24.380 --> 00:33:25.760 more than the server. 00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:27.340 This is crazy, man. 00:33:27.340 --> 00:33:27.780 Yeah. 00:33:27.780 --> 00:33:30.160 So, so here's a thing you can play. 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:30.640 It's on YouTube. 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:31.520 I'll show you in a second. 00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:34.020 And it says pure relaxation server sounds. 00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:36.140 And we can come over here and it actually has tracks. 00:33:36.140 --> 00:33:41.420 So like it starts with desktop in the doldrum, entering the engine in the engine room, the 00:33:41.420 --> 00:33:42.520 far side of the cloud. 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:49.440 I find co-location ventilation to be especially relaxing facing, facing the cloud. 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.620 And finally spacewalk. 00:33:51.620 --> 00:33:54.220 So I just want to play a little bit of this for people, Ryan. 00:33:54.220 --> 00:33:54.760 Okay. 00:33:54.760 --> 00:33:56.400 I think, I think they're going to enjoy it. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:56.820 Maybe. 00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:04.520 It's amazing, right? 00:34:04.520 --> 00:34:05.480 So relaxing. 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:07.200 So anyway. 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.920 You shared it with me before we started though. 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.800 And I got to say it's hilarious. 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:13.560 So I'm going to go check this out. 00:34:13.560 --> 00:34:19.080 I mean, keep in mind, a lot of people have to wear like big earmuffs sound protection to 00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:19.620 go in this room. 00:34:19.620 --> 00:34:22.440 So it might be the opposite of relaxing, but you'll see. 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:22.960 You'll see. 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.760 Okay, cool. 00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:25.460 Nice find. 00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:25.920 All right. 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.400 Yeah. 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:26.720 Thanks. 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:28.980 Just here to help people be more productive, you know? 00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:30.400 Maybe not with this though. 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.440 Well, and some of these people that used to be around all these server farms are now working 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.180 from home and they might miss that sound. 00:34:36.180 --> 00:34:37.480 So that's true. 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:37.980 Good. 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:41.740 Roman out there points out that the scary part is actually if the server room is quiet. 00:34:41.740 --> 00:34:44.160 Yeah. 00:34:44.160 --> 00:34:46.020 You go, no, why is it quiet? 00:34:46.020 --> 00:34:46.820 This is not good. 00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:47.400 Yeah. 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.380 All right. 00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:48.840 All right. 00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:55.120 Well, thanks a lot for, as always, and thank everybody for watching and showing up and listening. 00:34:55.120 --> 00:34:56.080 We love you. 00:34:56.080 --> 00:34:56.660 Yep. 00:34:56.660 --> 00:34:57.320 Thanks everyone. 00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.600 It's been an awesome six years and we'll keep going. 00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:00.040 Yeah.