WEBVTT 00:00:00.001 --> 00:00:05.840 Hello and welcome to Python Bytes, where we deliver Python news and headlines directly to your earbuds. 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:11.180 This is episode 396, recorded August 13, 2024. 00:00:11.180 --> 00:00:12.380 I'm Michael Kennedy. 00:00:12.380 --> 00:00:13.500 And I'm Brian Okken. 00:00:13.500 --> 00:00:17.580 And this episode is brought to you by Scout APM. 00:00:17.580 --> 00:00:21.460 Thank you to Scout for their continued support of the show. 00:00:21.460 --> 00:00:23.620 Check out their link in the show notes. 00:00:23.620 --> 00:00:24.920 We'll tell you more about them later. 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.980 If you want to follow us on the socials, you can find us all over on Mastodon. 00:00:28.980 --> 00:00:31.260 Links at the top of the show notes. 00:00:31.260 --> 00:00:36.080 And we are on X, although less active than we are on Mastodon, I would say. 00:00:36.080 --> 00:00:41.520 When we catch the live show, you can do that at 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00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:13.400 I'll see it. 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:17.080 I don't like drop in and cruise through there as much. 00:01:17.080 --> 00:01:23.760 I'd be happy on Mastodon, but there's just, I would say 75% of the people that follow us, 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:28.420 interact with us, at least through the show account, probably didn't make the transition. 00:01:28.420 --> 00:01:29.280 Okay. 00:01:29.460 --> 00:01:30.820 I should pay attention more. 00:01:30.820 --> 00:01:31.480 So apologies. 00:01:31.480 --> 00:01:32.540 Still there for them. 00:01:32.540 --> 00:01:33.020 Yeah. 00:01:33.020 --> 00:01:34.160 We're still there for them. 00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:34.540 Okay. 00:01:34.540 --> 00:01:35.020 Good. 00:01:35.020 --> 00:01:37.360 That's all I meant by it. 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:37.700 Okay. 00:01:37.700 --> 00:01:38.220 All right. 00:01:38.220 --> 00:01:39.820 Well, let's kick it off with your first item. 00:01:39.820 --> 00:01:40.320 Okay. 00:01:40.460 --> 00:01:45.880 I want to talk, I think I already, I covered uv, a uv article yesterday, a lot yesterday. 00:01:45.880 --> 00:01:46.100 Yeah. 00:01:46.100 --> 00:01:46.560 Last week. 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:47.320 Well, it's the summertime. 00:01:47.320 --> 00:01:51.780 You got to be real careful about your uv index and put it on your, oh, wait, no, not that. 00:01:51.780 --> 00:01:52.300 I love uv. 00:01:52.300 --> 00:01:52.720 Oh my God. 00:01:52.720 --> 00:01:54.140 We could put together a uv index. 00:01:54.140 --> 00:01:58.000 It'd be like the, that would be awesome. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:59.780 Anyway. 00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:03.840 So I saw this article, Python packaging is great now. 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:05.620 UV is all you need. 00:02:05.620 --> 00:02:08.120 And I'm like, I don't know. 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:11.100 It seems like a little silver bullet dish for me. 00:02:11.100 --> 00:02:13.800 But I took a look at it anyway. 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:17.640 This is from Juan Luis Cano Rodriguez. 00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:20.600 Awesome name and cool profile picture. 00:02:20.600 --> 00:02:20.900 Anyway. 00:02:20.900 --> 00:02:28.940 So uv, what is, we like to bash on packaging, but it's just continually getting better. 00:02:28.940 --> 00:02:34.640 And especially with people like Brett Cannon trying to continue to make it better. 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.640 It's going to, and people at uv at Astral making uv better. 00:02:39.640 --> 00:02:41.460 But what, so what is this about? 00:02:41.460 --> 00:02:46.840 This article, I didn't really want to completely cover the article, but there's some pretty cool 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:47.340 stuff here. 00:02:47.340 --> 00:02:54.080 So bootstrapping, getting a project started is difficult sometimes or knowing what to do. 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:00.960 And, and I've been using a uv for making virtual environments, but, and it's really fast at that. 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.280 But I took another look at it. 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:07.620 There's been some updates that I didn't know it did some, some cool stuff. 00:03:07.620 --> 00:03:11.780 So one of the highlights here is uv Python. 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:13.520 It manages Python versions. 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.620 And I'm like, what it does what? 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:18.120 So I went and checked it out. 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:25.440 And you can, so you don't even have to, so you can go down and say uv Python install and 00:03:25.440 --> 00:03:27.780 it installs Python versions for you. 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:30.500 And it's really fast, but you don't have to. 00:03:30.500 --> 00:03:32.420 And I'll tell you why in just a sec. 00:03:32.820 --> 00:03:38.540 You can, you can install it like that, but you can also say uv Python list and it lists 00:03:38.540 --> 00:03:41.160 all the Python versions that it can find on your system. 00:03:41.160 --> 00:03:48.500 But if you say uv, V, E, and V, so creating a virtual environment, you can give it a Python 00:03:48.500 --> 00:03:50.200 flag with a, with a number. 00:03:50.200 --> 00:03:52.420 So you can do list to edit time. 00:03:52.420 --> 00:03:57.280 And it tells you not only what versions are there, but also what versions it has available. 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:02.800 So you can, you can say like, if you don't have 3.11 on your system, you can, 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:05.960 you can say 3.11 anyway, and it'll install it. 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:07.840 I'm like, does that really work? 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:08.940 So I checked it out. 00:04:08.940 --> 00:04:09.580 I tried it. 00:04:09.580 --> 00:04:15.720 I personally, it, it said that it would just do it automatically if it wasn't there. 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:18.520 But I had to add the Python. 00:04:18.520 --> 00:04:23.300 There's a flag called Python preference managed, and it's listed here somewhere. 00:04:23.300 --> 00:04:26.500 Anyway, Python preference managed. 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:28.420 Dash to ask Python preference. 00:04:28.420 --> 00:04:30.520 And then you can say uv managed. 00:04:30.520 --> 00:04:31.340 Yeah. 00:04:31.400 --> 00:04:33.960 Only managed or managed system or only system. 00:04:33.960 --> 00:04:34.400 Gotcha. 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:34.960 Awesome. 00:04:34.960 --> 00:04:35.460 Yeah. 00:04:35.460 --> 00:04:35.520 Yeah. 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:37.520 Python preference. 00:04:37.520 --> 00:04:42.920 But if you say managed, which is supposedly the default, but I had to pass it in anyway, 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:43.800 it just does it. 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:45.620 So I'm like, this is cool. 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:50.280 And I installed like six versions of Python on my Mac yesterday in seconds. 00:04:50.280 --> 00:04:54.160 And just, just to have fun to create virtual environments. 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:56.500 And, and it's just neat. 00:04:56.500 --> 00:05:02.240 So I only really need a Python with, I usually use Python within virtual environments. 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:06.380 So being able to just install one into a virtual environment is cool. 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.380 So what else can we do? 00:05:09.380 --> 00:05:16.720 So the, there's other things that uv can do that, like it can initialize a pyproject.toml 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:17.280 for you. 00:05:17.280 --> 00:05:23.100 And it sets up, if you do a knit, it sets up pyproject.toml and a readme and a source layout. 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:25.080 It doesn't do a lot, but it gets you started. 00:05:25.780 --> 00:05:29.040 The, the thing that I thought was neat is add. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:34.320 So you can add dependencies to your pyproject.toml with uv add. 00:05:34.320 --> 00:05:36.980 And so you don't have to look up the syntax for it. 00:05:36.980 --> 00:05:40.900 The other cool thing about it is you can give it the dev flag. 00:05:40.900 --> 00:05:43.360 You can say uv add --dev. 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.820 Like you can say --dev py test. 00:05:45.820 --> 00:05:50.660 And it'll add py test to your development dependencies, which is neat. 00:05:50.660 --> 00:05:55.580 So I guess I was going to say packaging is not solved with uv. 00:05:55.740 --> 00:05:57.360 But maybe, maybe it is. 00:05:57.360 --> 00:05:58.940 There's some pretty cool stuff. 00:05:58.940 --> 00:06:00.140 This is awesome. 00:06:00.140 --> 00:06:00.380 Yeah. 00:06:00.380 --> 00:06:07.720 If you look up, if you say uv help, there's a whole bunch of experimental, experimental items 00:06:07.720 --> 00:06:08.540 through here. 00:06:08.540 --> 00:06:10.800 So there's run, a knit add. 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:12.680 A lot of these are experimental features. 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:13.880 Tree is cool. 00:06:13.880 --> 00:06:17.380 You can do a project dependency tree using uv. 00:06:17.380 --> 00:06:22.200 So there's a lot of stuff that I used to use other tools for that uv is doing. 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:23.200 So kind of cool. 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:24.920 Locking, creating lockout. 00:06:25.700 --> 00:06:25.840 Self. 00:06:25.840 --> 00:06:26.380 I like it. 00:06:26.380 --> 00:06:27.440 What does Self do? 00:06:27.440 --> 00:06:29.680 Manage the uv executable itself. 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:30.800 Oh, yeah. 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:31.300 Okay. 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:34.020 So there was a lot of drama, honestly. 00:06:34.020 --> 00:06:38.120 Not on our show, but on the mailing lists when this was announced. 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:39.960 With uv Python? 00:06:39.960 --> 00:06:40.720 Or UV? 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:40.940 No. 00:06:40.940 --> 00:06:42.120 With uv pip. 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:42.900 UV pip. 00:06:42.900 --> 00:06:43.260 Yeah. 00:06:43.260 --> 00:06:43.880 Yeah. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:44.240 Yeah. 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:44.260 Yeah. 00:06:44.260 --> 00:06:44.340 Yeah. 00:06:44.340 --> 00:06:44.560 Yeah. 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:44.640 Yeah. 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:44.680 Yeah. 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:53.180 And so the reason that Charlie and team chose uv pip as part of the CLI interface as a sub-command 00:06:53.180 --> 00:06:56.020 was so that they had space to do all these other things. 00:06:56.020 --> 00:07:00.360 So if you just said uv install, well, is that install the Python thing? 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:01.840 Is that install a package? 00:07:01.840 --> 00:07:02.240 Oh, yeah. 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:02.500 Yeah. 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:03.240 Right. 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:03.300 Right. 00:07:03.300 --> 00:07:08.980 And so they put that in there as almost like a namespace for all their commands and stuff. 00:07:08.980 --> 00:07:12.560 And how much new stuff is under these experimental sections? 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.100 Starting to feel like, okay, this is what they had in mind, right? 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:16.680 Yeah. 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:17.220 Yeah. 00:07:17.220 --> 00:07:23.800 So the experimental part makes me nervous to put it into my normal everyday workflow a 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:24.220 little bit. 00:07:24.220 --> 00:07:26.840 But for personal workflow stuff, why not play with it? 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:27.640 Yeah. 00:07:27.640 --> 00:07:32.480 As you're going through this and seeing this title, Python Packaging is great. 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:33.400 UV is all you need. 00:07:33.400 --> 00:07:34.920 I think it's all I use these days. 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:36.140 I don't think I use anything else. 00:07:36.140 --> 00:07:42.120 There are some systems that the whole, especially with certain firewalls, that I know you can get 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.200 around it with uv, but there are some systems that I work on where I have trouble working 00:07:46.200 --> 00:07:48.920 with uv, but pip works fine. 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:50.120 Oh, interesting. 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:50.580 Okay. 00:07:50.580 --> 00:07:51.060 Yeah. 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:57.000 I have basically three or four, maybe four or five aliases that are just like two or three 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:01.980 letters that will do all the combination, like the full commands with this and that. 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:04.320 So those used to be pip commands. 00:08:04.320 --> 00:08:06.960 Now they're uv pip with the different parameters and stuff. 00:08:06.960 --> 00:08:07.380 Yeah. 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:15.320 So when uv pip started, came, I tried to alias pip to uv pip and same with virtual environment, 00:08:15.320 --> 00:08:18.300 but I realized that I kind of like control. 00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:20.380 I like to be able to use both. 00:08:20.380 --> 00:08:23.360 So I just sort of taught myself these uv commands. 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:24.100 Yeah. 00:08:24.100 --> 00:08:24.920 Yeah. 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:25.540 Sounds good. 00:08:25.540 --> 00:08:27.160 Not too hard, is it? 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:27.620 All right. 00:08:27.620 --> 00:08:35.040 Well, I have a set of bookends around Python versions to start and end the show here. 00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:41.320 So let's start with Python 312.5 was out just last week. 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.020 Came out right after the show was released, I think. 00:08:44.020 --> 00:08:50.040 So we didn't cover it, but yeah, here we have a brand new version of the most recent version, 00:08:50.040 --> 00:08:50.700 Python. 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:52.000 And I just checked, by the way. 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:52.320 What? 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:53.100 Yeah. 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:57.260 And I just checked with the uv Python list. 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:03.860 And I think 312.4 is the latest there, just to give you a sense that like one week into 00:09:03.860 --> 00:09:05.420 it, apparently we don't have the latest. 00:09:05.420 --> 00:09:09.080 I was kind of hoping like that thing would be super cutting edge on top of it. 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.640 So, but I wonder if I, you know what? 00:09:12.640 --> 00:09:17.500 It's possible that my uv is over a week out of date and it doesn't know, right? 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:17.980 Something like that. 00:09:17.980 --> 00:09:18.360 I don't know. 00:09:18.500 --> 00:09:20.900 Anyway, 312.5 is out. 00:09:20.900 --> 00:09:24.120 And if you scroll through, I'm linking to the release notes. 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:30.940 Sometimes it's hard to find like what is actually changed in say 312.4 to 312.5. 00:09:31.300 --> 00:09:36.540 Because if you go to the, if you go to python.org and click on downloads, a lot of times it'll 00:09:36.540 --> 00:09:38.460 just show like, well, here's what's new for 312. 00:09:38.460 --> 00:09:39.320 You're like, great. 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:42.800 And from the last one that I had to this, what was that? 00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:46.000 But if you go and you can find the release notes, which I'm linking to. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:52.660 And so there are a lot of releases and changes in just this minor point release. 00:09:52.660 --> 00:09:55.420 So we've got a bunch of tests that are fixed. 00:09:55.420 --> 00:09:56.060 How about that, Brian? 00:09:56.060 --> 00:09:57.080 That's great. 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:57.640 Yeah. 00:09:57.780 --> 00:10:01.280 Two different security improvements, patches, I guess. 00:10:01.280 --> 00:10:04.000 You know, they're not, don't think they have CVEs. 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:05.820 So there must not be too bad. 00:10:05.820 --> 00:10:09.480 Like audit, like missing audit events around certain behaviors. 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:13.880 Like, okay, so you couldn't audit it properly, but it's not, it's not a, you know, all your 00:10:13.880 --> 00:10:15.400 bases are belong to us sort of thing. 00:10:15.400 --> 00:10:17.520 A bunch of stuff in the library. 00:10:17.520 --> 00:10:19.740 So for example, a new version of pip. 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:24.640 So for just a moment, just briefly, when you create a virtual environment, I won't say your 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:25.360 pip is out of date. 00:10:25.640 --> 00:10:31.160 But this, things like this, fix crash when importing SSL after the main interpreter starts. 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:31.640 Hmm. 00:10:31.640 --> 00:10:33.340 Might want to have that not happen. 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:36.380 Handle value errors raised by os.stat. 00:10:36.380 --> 00:10:38.900 Fix some error messages in pickle. 00:10:38.900 --> 00:10:40.640 Here's one that's worth paying attention to. 00:10:40.640 --> 00:10:44.860 Fix a seg fault in async io.taskit coroutine. 00:10:44.860 --> 00:10:45.540 Okay. 00:10:45.540 --> 00:10:50.520 You know, a lot of times you think of, at least I think one of the really huge advantages of 00:10:50.520 --> 00:10:54.940 Python is when stuff goes wrong, your program doesn't just go poof and go away. 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:56.680 It, it reports the error. 00:10:56.680 --> 00:10:57.880 It gives you a chance to catch it. 00:10:57.880 --> 00:10:58.040 Right. 00:10:58.040 --> 00:11:00.960 You like this Python itself doesn't die. 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:04.020 It knows it's something's gone terribly wrong and it shuts down. 00:11:04.020 --> 00:11:04.260 Right. 00:11:04.260 --> 00:11:07.860 But the Python, cpython seg faults, then it just goes poof and goes away. 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:09.360 So there's a ton of stuff like this. 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:12.680 So I just wanted to call, call people's attention to all the changes here. 00:11:12.680 --> 00:11:15.380 And there's even some that look like performance. 00:11:15.380 --> 00:11:18.020 For example, what was it? 00:11:18.020 --> 00:11:18.900 f-strings. 00:11:18.900 --> 00:11:25.320 If you have an F string that has just one entry into it, it, I think it used to create an abstract 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:27.460 syntax tree to try to build it up. 00:11:27.460 --> 00:11:31.120 And they're like, not really needed all that stuff for a single F string. 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.960 Our F string was single, entry in it. 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:39.420 So, yeah, that's, that's going to be a nice performance improvement as well. 00:11:39.420 --> 00:11:40.340 Is it a dash? 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:41.140 How do they F string it? 00:11:41.140 --> 00:11:41.500 Yeah. 00:11:41.500 --> 00:11:43.600 So anyway, these are all good things. 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:44.680 Yeah, definitely. 00:11:44.680 --> 00:11:45.260 Yeah. 00:11:45.260 --> 00:11:49.020 f-strings are getting, getting, getting more secure, more fast, more faster, better. 00:11:49.020 --> 00:11:50.380 Faster, better, stronger. 00:11:50.380 --> 00:11:51.460 We have the technology. 00:11:51.460 --> 00:11:52.380 We can rebuild it. 00:11:52.380 --> 00:11:52.720 Okay. 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.980 Can you even imagine going back to the time before f-strings? 00:11:55.980 --> 00:11:57.600 It was a dark time. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:11:59.440 It was a dark time. 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:04.240 My percent, my percent key still has no, no, characters on it. 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:04.880 No, just kidding. 00:12:04.880 --> 00:12:06.380 Yeah. 00:12:06.380 --> 00:12:06.820 Yeah. 00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:07.180 Indeed. 00:12:07.180 --> 00:12:07.780 Okay. 00:12:07.780 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that I didn't think about was doing pinning, like compiling pinned list or lock lists for dependencies for multiple Python versions. 00:14:49.880 --> 00:14:55.000 And so this article walks you through kind of why you would want to do that, but then also how to. 00:14:55.180 --> 00:15:03.380 And the little trick here, which I think is cool, is that Tox uses an environment name called the env name. 00:15:03.380 --> 00:15:16.640 And so there is a way to be able to specify, use that to look at different, the Tox environment that it created, because it creates a little virtual environments when it's running. 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:20.460 But the neat thing about that is you can use it other places. 00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:29.600 And the idea around this was to go ahead and use this article uses pip-tools, but really, I think you could use anything. 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:52.840 But to target a compile, like a pip-tools compile and, and send it to using pip compile and using pyproject.toml as the base file, and then outputting to a requirements in env name, which is, or a env.text or a, like a env-dev.text. 00:15:52.840 --> 00:16:00.920 So you could do like a requirements with a requirements file, essentially with, with your environment specified in it. 00:16:00.920 --> 00:16:10.960 You could, in this example, it's using a directory, pumping them all into a requirements folder with a directory, but you could also do, you could also do a directory. 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.820 And then also, I also like to have a requirements dash whatever. 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:23.500 So even if I had them all filed into a directory, I usually put something like requirements dash 312.txt or something like that. 00:16:23.500 --> 00:16:34.600 But having that be able to specify it from the project allows you, allows the little trick to be able to say, oh, here's an example of with the requirements dash. 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.000 I like that a little bit better. 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:47.420 But to, to have a requirements target within Tox, so that you can use that to compile your project, compile those. 00:16:47.420 --> 00:16:52.460 And while they're running, you're, instead of like in CI or something, can grab those. 00:16:52.460 --> 00:17:01.920 And instead of generating a, just whatever it can find, it's a pinned or a locked set of, set of dependencies. 00:17:01.920 --> 00:17:04.180 It might be a little bit more consistent. 00:17:04.180 --> 00:17:12.840 So, so that locally, the, and the idea would be then locally you, when you're testing yourself, you can say, hey, I'm ready to update my dependencies. 00:17:12.840 --> 00:17:19.340 And then it regenerate the, all of the, all of the dev files and then, or all the lock files. 00:17:19.340 --> 00:17:25.720 And then later when you're, when CI is running, it doesn't look up dependencies. 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.200 It just like knows the fixed links or the fixed versions. 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.760 So kind of a neat idea. 00:17:30.760 --> 00:17:32.260 I wanted to highlight that. 00:17:32.980 --> 00:17:38.360 I also wanted to highlight this because I want to, I like this idea, but I want to do it with uv. 00:17:38.360 --> 00:17:42.720 And I want to, I'd like to be, I think I'll play with this. 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:48.340 But if anybody else has time to play with this and see if they can get it working with uv, I'd love to see the outcome. 00:17:48.340 --> 00:17:48.780 So. 00:17:48.780 --> 00:17:49.620 Yeah, that's awesome. 00:17:49.620 --> 00:17:56.480 I imagine you can, because if it was using pip-tools, you know, it's got the pip compile behaviors. 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:57.720 It shouldn't be that hard. 00:17:58.120 --> 00:17:58.360 Yeah. 00:17:58.360 --> 00:17:58.560 Yeah. 00:17:58.560 --> 00:17:58.960 It's awesome. 00:17:58.960 --> 00:17:59.380 Yeah. 00:17:59.380 --> 00:17:59.920 This looks great. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:00.560 I love it. 00:18:00.560 --> 00:18:01.960 What do you got for us? 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.780 You let's, let's close it out with dark. 00:18:05.780 --> 00:18:07.940 I did tell you it was the 13th, didn't I? 00:18:07.940 --> 00:18:08.840 Yeah. 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:20.700 So I present to you a, this is not exactly a Python thing, but I feel like this is a, anyone who builds web apps or other types of apps and interacts with, you know, users sort of thing. 00:18:20.700 --> 00:18:26.860 So superset, if you will, I present to you a catalog of dark patterns for software. 00:18:26.860 --> 00:18:27.880 Dun, dun, dun. 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:28.960 Dun, dun, dun. 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:37.480 It says discover a variety of dark pattern examples sorted by category to help you better understand deceptive design practices. 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.380 So there's some that you probably would know like bait and switch. 00:18:41.420 --> 00:18:49.220 And each one of these has at least one concrete, like case study of evil, badness of darkness, let's say. 00:18:49.220 --> 00:18:57.540 So the bait and switch one, which says this tactic lures users with an enticing offer only to change the terms unexpectedly. 00:18:57.540 --> 00:19:00.400 So they've got a lift 60% off. 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:02.680 Wouldn't you like 60% off of your next ride? 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:04.340 Just click here and sign up, right? 00:19:04.340 --> 00:19:07.540 And then once actually your next two rides, it says right here. 00:19:07.540 --> 00:19:08.060 Yeah. 00:19:08.060 --> 00:19:14.800 But then actually, as you try to apply it, it turns out it only counts towards 60% off the first $10. 00:19:14.800 --> 00:19:17.340 So if you like went to the airport, it was 50 bucks. 00:19:17.340 --> 00:19:19.940 It's like, well, you know, it's still 44. 00:19:19.940 --> 00:19:20.800 Yeah. 00:19:20.800 --> 00:19:21.100 Perfect. 00:19:21.100 --> 00:19:24.060 so that's not ideal. 00:19:24.060 --> 00:19:24.500 No. 00:19:24.820 --> 00:19:29.660 To me, the classic bait switch is the cable companies for internet or, or anything like, 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:33.760 don't you want to add like a home phone, like digital phone? 00:19:33.760 --> 00:19:39.520 And then you can add like the sports package and it's only $5 more for the first, you know, 00:19:39.520 --> 00:19:41.640 for the first, six months. 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.600 And then it's like $150 more. 00:19:43.600 --> 00:19:45.940 So I had one just like yesterday. 00:19:45.940 --> 00:19:52.160 I had an email from my cell phone provider that said, since you've been here, like so many numbers 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.220 of years, we're going to give you 10% off. 00:19:54.500 --> 00:19:55.440 I'm like, that's cool. 00:19:55.440 --> 00:20:00.180 And I clicked on it and it was 10% off any of your case pair purchases. 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:03.580 Like, so shady. 00:20:03.580 --> 00:20:05.240 So shady. 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:09.940 So that, I mean, people probably know that one, but there's other ones that are, interesting. 00:20:09.940 --> 00:20:13.500 Like one that I really like is the roach motel. 00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:14.160 Okay. 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.000 So, you know, what is that? 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:21.060 Oh, it's this dark pattern usually used for subscriptions, making it easy to sign up, but 00:20:21.060 --> 00:20:22.840 nearly impossible to cancel. 00:20:23.220 --> 00:20:27.960 So there's, you know, you can't, there's not like a just unsubscribe us button. 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.960 You've got to call somebody and they try to talk you out of it. 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:32.760 Like I'm a hat, hat tip. 00:20:32.760 --> 00:20:34.460 The cable companies again on this. 00:20:34.460 --> 00:20:35.220 Yeah. 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:35.820 Right. 00:20:35.820 --> 00:20:36.680 But yeah. 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.500 There's one, there's one click subscribe. 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:40.240 All right. 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:40.600 Canceled. 00:20:40.600 --> 00:20:43.660 So please come down to our office during hours of four and three. 00:20:43.660 --> 00:20:44.660 Exactly. 00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:45.660 Exactly. 00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:46.160 Exactly. 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.900 And if you don't get through the line of people backed up trying to get out of it, then, 00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:51.400 you'll, you'll, do bad. 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.900 Try again the next week. 00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:53.400 So there's a bunch of these. 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.140 I'll do one more just that people go play with them. 00:20:56.140 --> 00:20:58.140 Disguised ads. 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:00.760 Oh, I thought it was disgusting ads. 00:21:00.760 --> 00:21:01.580 Disguised ads. 00:21:01.580 --> 00:21:01.800 Okay. 00:21:01.800 --> 00:21:07.540 Disguised ads, which are themselves disgusting, but the pattern is disguised. 00:21:07.540 --> 00:21:14.720 So Microsoft edge, for example, and I feel like Google, this is towards Google Chrome, like 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:19.460 a thing towards, I feel like it's also kind of reverse a lot of like Google does that as 00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:19.660 well. 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:23.240 Like, wouldn't you rather use this instead when you search for something? 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:25.760 Anyway, I'll give you the example that's on the page. 00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:32.320 So you may encounter not one, but two dark pattern patterns when attempting to get Google 00:21:32.320 --> 00:21:33.420 Chrome onto your computer. 00:21:33.420 --> 00:21:37.240 When you have Microsoft edge, this happens when you have a empty install of windows. 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:39.520 Because you have edge installed, but not Chrome. 00:21:39.520 --> 00:21:44.240 And, or, I mean, I feel like installing Chrome itself is a dark pattern that you should just 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.180 avoid use of all the brave Firefox, something else. 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:50.000 But anyway, that's not the point. 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:51.240 There's, there's two here. 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.720 And the first one is disguised ads. 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:55.820 The second one is confirm shaming. 00:21:55.820 --> 00:21:57.380 And so this is like a good case here. 00:21:57.380 --> 00:22:05.760 So if you go over to google.com/chrome in edge and you go to the down, you go to the, 00:22:05.760 --> 00:22:07.740 like the, where you get to download it. 00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:12.760 It literally has a built into the browser popup that comes out of the menu bar. 00:22:12.760 --> 00:22:16.700 No, that dress bar rather says, I hate saving money. 00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:17.700 Said no one ever. 00:22:17.700 --> 00:22:24.040 Microsoft edge is the best browser for online shopping. 00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:28.000 Just by literally visiting the Chrome page, you get this popup. 00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.000 It's like integrated, not into the HTML, but into the UI of the browser. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:33.000 That's so funny. 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:34.000 Yeah. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:35.000 So that's, that's shady. 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.000 That's one. 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.940 I kind of love the boldness of that though, actually. 00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:40.940 But I know. 00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:46.720 And then if you go to, go to Bing, I believe this, which is the default search engine and 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.000 you just search for Chrome, you get some results. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:51.980 And then there's like this other part. 00:22:51.980 --> 00:22:55.000 Oh no, this is actually in the start, the start menu. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:57.000 This is in the start menu. 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.000 So if you type Chrome, you like try to run Chrome. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:01.000 Oh dear. 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.980 Half of the whole start menu says, try Bing wallpaper. 00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:07.980 Switch to the browser recommended by Microsoft. 00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:08.980 Download edge. 00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:09.980 Yeah. 00:23:09.980 --> 00:23:10.980 Oh my God. 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:11.980 Yeah. 00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:16.980 So what's cool is it says, look here, like it kind of highlights the various patterns 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:17.980 that are here. 00:23:17.980 --> 00:23:20.980 And then like other companies that do similar patterns. 00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:22.980 Anyway, I think this is interesting reading. 00:23:22.980 --> 00:23:25.980 I think figuring out, like just being aware of this stuff. 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.980 So if you're involved in building these things, you're like, Hey guys, people are going to not 00:23:29.980 --> 00:23:30.980 like us. 00:23:30.980 --> 00:23:32.980 Could we do this a little bit differently? 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:33.980 You know, sometimes marketing will win. 00:23:33.980 --> 00:23:35.980 Sometimes developers will win, but. 00:23:35.980 --> 00:23:41.980 So are these dark patterns or, or maybe growth hacking? 00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:42.980 Yes. 00:23:42.980 --> 00:23:46.980 Is this our yacht or is this a dark pattern? 00:23:46.980 --> 00:23:47.980 Could it be both? 00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:48.980 Hmm. 00:23:48.980 --> 00:23:50.980 What could I incorporate these into? 00:23:50.980 --> 00:23:51.980 No. 00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:52.980 Yeah. 00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:55.980 Hashtag you win if you can get like all dark patterns. 00:23:55.980 --> 00:23:57.980 Oh, that'd be fun to try to. 00:23:57.980 --> 00:23:58.980 It'd be good growth act. 00:23:58.980 --> 00:24:00.980 Cause then you could appear under every category. 00:24:00.980 --> 00:24:02.980 That'd be like some like link. 00:24:02.980 --> 00:24:03.980 Pre-advertising. 00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:04.980 Exactly. 00:24:04.980 --> 00:24:05.980 Yeah. 00:24:05.980 --> 00:24:06.980 Anyway. 00:24:06.980 --> 00:24:07.980 Yeah. 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:08.980 This is what I got for you. 00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:09.980 Kind of interesting. 00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:10.980 Nice. 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:11.980 Extras. 00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:12.980 You got any extras you want to share? 00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:18.980 The extra I wanted to shout out was, was just, I've been, I've been, I think I have my 00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:20.980 recording done for, for HelloPiTest. 00:24:20.980 --> 00:24:23.980 The only thing left to record is the summary at the end. 00:24:23.980 --> 00:24:28.980 The, I want, well I have the, there's a few things I want to like one extra video and 00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:30.980 record, but I want to edit everything first. 00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:35.980 I'm in the process of editing and keeping track of everything so that at the end I can go, Hey, 00:24:35.980 --> 00:24:36.980 we went through all these things. 00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:39.980 So I want to make sure. 00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:44.980 Actually the thing that I have left is I want to review all of the command line flags that 00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:46.980 I use in the course. 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:47.980 I don't remember all the 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authentication. 00:25:20.980 --> 00:25:26.980 Cause having people access stuff that was supposed to be authenticated, but isn't as bad. 00:25:26.980 --> 00:25:28.980 They didn't say that that's my words. 00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:33.980 The new and shiny login required middleware is available, which enforces authentication for 00:25:33.980 --> 00:25:34.980 all views. 00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:35.980 Yeah. 00:25:35.980 --> 00:25:40.980 better screen reader support, better HTML semantics. 00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:46.980 The second oldest ticket is now fixed with a long awaited query string template tag. 00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.980 So these things are all good. 00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:50.980 And let's see. 00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:51.980 What's there now? 00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:55.980 I thought there might've been a CVE or something in here, but I don't think so. 00:25:55.980 --> 00:26:01.980 I saw Django CVE not too long ago, security deal, but it doesn't seem like it's addressed 00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.980 with this one. 00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:03.980 So it must've been fixed previously. 00:26:03.980 --> 00:26:04.980 All right. 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:05.980 So that, and then here's the bookend. 00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:08.980 We started with a 312.5 being available. 00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:14.980 Well, how about Python 313 looking forward with release candidate one is out. 00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:21.980 So this happened a little bit ago, but if you're out there and they say, please test, 00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:28.980 you have a package, especially a popular one, please test it with Python 313 ahead of time. 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:29.980 So we can do stuff about it. 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:31.980 And you're like, oh, it's betas. 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:32.980 I'm not going to take the trouble. 00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:33.980 I'm not going to worry about it. 00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:37.980 Well, it's now officially stable in terms of features, right? 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:41.980 They're not going to add or remove things ideally unless they absolutely have to. 00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:46.980 So you should be able to properly start putting energy into testing and playing with this one. 00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:51.980 And this one is a big deal because this is the first free threaded Python, which is going 00:26:51.980 --> 00:26:55.980 to have significant effects on runtime behavior. 00:26:55.980 --> 00:26:57.980 not just the API still work, right? 00:26:57.980 --> 00:26:59.980 So it's going to be worth testing with this one. 00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:02.980 All those other versions of Python, you have to pay for threading. 00:27:02.980 --> 00:27:03.980 This one's free threading. 00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:05.980 Yeah, it's awesome. 00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:07.980 Finally, finally, it's free. 00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:13.980 You just have, yeah, you have to pay by buying other machines and running copies on them to get parallels. 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:19.980 No, I, so I was hoping that uv Python would have 313 there, but it doesn't yet. 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:21.980 So yeah, that would, all right. 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:23.980 UV team out there listening. 00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:24.980 Astral, come on Astral. 00:27:24.980 --> 00:27:25.980 What are you doing? 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:26.980 Exactly. 00:27:26.980 --> 00:27:33.980 Let's, let's get, let's turn uv Python into like, this is how I get the freshest Python, which is actually one of the things that's a little tricky. 00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:36.980 Like homebrew, it takes a week for that stuff to show up and other stuff. 00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:37.980 Yeah. 00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.980 A week. 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:39.980 Yeah. 00:27:39.980 --> 00:27:40.980 Who wants week old coffee? 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:41.980 No, no. 00:27:41.980 --> 00:27:44.980 Your threads are totally stale, but. 00:27:44.980 --> 00:27:47.980 It's a, it's a goofy episode, man. 00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:48.980 It is. 00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:49.980 All right. 00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:50.980 I know you got the joke for us this week. 00:27:50.980 --> 00:27:51.980 So. 00:27:51.980 --> 00:27:52.980 Okay. 00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:56.980 Well, actually, before we get onto this, I was just thinking because you, you wanted, when 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:02.980 you were talking about Django, I thought of a new, of a, a dorky joke. 00:28:02.980 --> 00:28:05.980 So what do you call a 17 year old insect? 00:28:05.980 --> 00:28:06.980 A minor, a minor bug. 00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:09.980 Oh, that's pretty good. 00:28:09.980 --> 00:28:10.980 okay. 00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:14.980 So, I saw this artist technical, a, is it ours or ARS? 00:28:14.980 --> 00:28:15.980 I don't know. 00:28:15.980 --> 00:28:16.980 ARS technica. 00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:21.980 I say ours, but I know now you say that I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone pronounce it. 00:28:21.980 --> 00:28:22.980 So. 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:22.980 Okay. 00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:23.980 We're going with ours. 00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:24.980 Cause it's lowercase. 00:28:24.980 --> 00:28:27.980 Ars technica, had an article parody site. 00:28:27.980 --> 00:28:32.980 Clown strike refuses to bow down to cloud strikes, bogus DMCA takedown. 00:28:32.980 --> 00:28:34.980 so there's an article here. 00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:36.980 I wanted to check it out myself. 00:28:36.980 --> 00:28:41.980 so if you go to, clown strike dot LOL. 00:28:41.980 --> 00:28:43.980 and we'll refresh it. 00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:49.980 see if it, it starts out looking like crowd strike, but it has a little goofy hat on 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:50.980 it. 00:28:50.980 --> 00:28:55.980 and then if you put, I'm not going to play the music now, but, if you play music, 00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:57.980 it's got like some, some goofy little music that goes along with it. 00:28:57.980 --> 00:28:58.980 And there's a clown. 00:28:58.980 --> 00:28:59.980 That's it. 00:28:59.980 --> 00:29:00.980 That's just, it's just funny. 00:29:00.980 --> 00:29:06.980 but, now if you click on the left, it tells you about all this. 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:11.980 Well, it tells you the ARS technica article, but it also talks about this story about how 00:29:11.980 --> 00:29:17.980 they had these takedown, crowd strike tried to take them down and it's just silly. 00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:20.980 there's some other stuff here too, that I think it's just hilarious. 00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:29.980 Like, the what scam advisor lists clown strike, LOL as a highly trusted might be safe. 00:29:29.980 --> 00:29:34.980 It's like nothing there except for just this goofy little picture. 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:38.980 And, but, but there are some, some, some other stuff in it. 00:29:38.980 --> 00:29:42.980 You can read the whole story and all the letters about, or all the emails, the back and forth 00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:43.980 about the takedowns. 00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:49.980 And actually, there, I was surprised to find out that they had to like cloud for cloud 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:57.980 flare was, was, was hosting this, but it, it like accepted the takedown at first. 00:29:57.980 --> 00:30:03.980 and eventually back down, but even after, but after it got moved, but I'm surprised that, 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:09.980 I'm surprised that it got taken down so fast because obviously this is a parody site. 00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:11.980 and parody is protected. 00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:13.980 There's no way like even a cursory look at this. 00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:17.980 Anybody would think this is a realistic, yeah. 00:30:17.980 --> 00:30:20.980 It's not trying to impersonate it or anything like that. 00:30:20.980 --> 00:30:21.980 Yeah. 00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:22.980 Just making fun of the situation. 00:30:22.980 --> 00:30:26.980 And, and I think that they just probably, I mean, they really should have just ignored 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:27.980 it. 00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.980 And now clown strike is known and we're talking about it. 00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:31.980 And ours technique is talking about it. 00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:32.980 Anyway. 00:30:32.980 --> 00:30:33.980 exactly. 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:34.980 So it's the barber strain stand effect. 00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:35.980 Right? 00:30:35.980 --> 00:30:36.980 Yeah. 00:30:36.980 --> 00:30:37.980 So, oh boy. 00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:38.980 So, oh boy. 00:30:38.980 --> 00:30:39.980 Anyway. 00:30:39.980 --> 00:30:39.980 Yeah. 00:30:39.980 --> 00:30:43.980 I mean, I'm somewhat sympathetic to crowd strike, but this is, this is a bad look. 00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:49.980 You know, if you've got a right native code that runs in the kernel, the smallest mistake. 00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:53.980 And it has to be like updated within hours of you learning new information. 00:30:53.980 --> 00:30:54.980 I don't know. 00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:55.980 It's, it's tough. 00:30:55.980 --> 00:31:00.980 It's apparently it's one of the best antivirus systems out there that actually works. 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:02.980 And isn't just, you know, you wouldn't talk dark patterns. 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:08.980 Like a lot of this antivirus clean your computer stuff is really shit shady, but boy, did they 00:31:08.980 --> 00:31:11.980 cause a problem that I would not want to be in their shoes. 00:31:11.980 --> 00:31:12.980 No. 00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:13.980 Well, I don't know. 00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:18.980 I mean, a couple of weeks of shame over you get billions of dollars to pay for that shame. 00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:23.980 So, yeah, I think they're going to get a lot of lawsuits from a lot of angry fortune 500 00:31:23.980 --> 00:31:24.980 companies. 00:31:24.980 --> 00:31:27.980 And even if they win defending them, it's going to, going to hurt them bad. 00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:29.980 If it doesn't kill them, it's going to hurt them bad. 00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:30.980 So. 00:31:30.980 --> 00:31:31.980 Okay. 00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:31.980 So yeah. 00:31:31.980 --> 00:31:33.980 Sympathies out there for somebody. 00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:40.980 Some, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, but I feel like they've certainly earned 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.980 this website and wow. 00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:42.980 I didn't know. 00:31:42.980 --> 00:31:43.980 LOL was a top level domain. 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:44.980 Yeah. 00:31:44.980 --> 00:31:45.980 It's funny. 00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:46.980 It makes me laugh. 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:47.980 Yeah. 00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:48.980 What's that stand? 00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:49.980 What is it? 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:50.980 What is it? 00:31:50.980 --> 00:31:51.980 Is it like a country? 00:31:51.980 --> 00:31:52.980 Is it literally lol? 00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:53.980 Like laugh out loud? 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:58.980 Or is it because they're like dot pizza is a top level domain as well, which just seems 00:31:58.980 --> 00:31:59.980 wrong. 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:01.980 Oh, that does seem wrong. 00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:02.980 Really? 00:32:02.980 --> 00:32:03.980 I think so. 00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:04.980 I'll have to check that out. 00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:06.980 Like pepperoni dot pizza and like, you know, Hawaiian. 00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:07.980 Honestly. 00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:08.980 Yeah. 00:32:08.980 --> 00:32:09.980 Pineapple. 00:32:09.980 --> 00:32:10.980 Maybe we need to get some domains. 00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:11.980 Yeah. 00:32:11.980 --> 00:32:12.980 Anyway. 00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:13.980 Okay. 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:14.980 Awesome. 00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:15.120 Great. 00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:15.900 All right. 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:16.940 Thanks for being here like always. 00:32:16.940 --> 00:32:17.720 Thank you.