WEBVTT 00:00:00.001 --> 00:00:05.160 Hello and welcome to Python Bytes, where we deliver Python news and headlines directly to your earbuds. 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:10.400 This is episode 401, recorded September 16th, 2024. 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:11.680 And I'm Brian Okken. 00:00:11.680 --> 00:00:12.680 And I'm Michael Kennedy. 00:00:12.680 --> 00:00:15.380 And this episode is brought to you by Scout APM. 00:00:15.380 --> 00:00:17.760 Check out their section later in the show. 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:23.520 Connect with us, Michael, Brian, or the show at fosstodon.org. 00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:26.240 But any Mastodon will work. 00:00:26.520 --> 00:00:31.460 But the links are, we're all on Fosstodon, M. 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00:01:32.880 --> 00:01:38.460 This actually might make you want to drink this whiskey, micro whiskey in particular. 00:01:38.460 --> 00:01:39.320 WSGI. 00:01:39.320 --> 00:01:41.820 As some people say it, web service gateway interface. 00:01:41.820 --> 00:01:45.440 The friend and sibling parent. 00:01:45.440 --> 00:01:49.520 I don't know what the relationship of ASCII, the async gateway interface. 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:52.640 Anyway, this is something I ran across. 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:55.820 Just, I was doing some work with Granian. 00:01:55.820 --> 00:01:58.980 So Granian is the web server that powers Python bytes right now. 00:01:59.020 --> 00:02:04.000 And a couple other things, as you might imagine, and I was looking at it and it had a back reference. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:09.100 And one of the issues that was a feature I was asking about, namely worker restarting after 00:02:09.100 --> 00:02:11.360 certain amount of work gets done, things like that. 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:19.660 And it was coming from, I believe this comes from edX, some edX project, though I can't tell 00:02:19.660 --> 00:02:20.460 by the organization. 00:02:20.460 --> 00:02:25.620 Anyway, the title of this GitHub issue is, this is them speaking amongst themselves in this 00:02:25.620 --> 00:02:26.800 project called tutor. 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:29.640 We must replace micro whiskey with something else. 00:02:29.640 --> 00:02:30.660 Like, wait a minute. 00:02:30.660 --> 00:02:31.860 Why must we do this? 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:33.640 Wait, let me see what's going on here. 00:02:33.640 --> 00:02:36.080 So this is somewhat news to me. 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.780 The very opening here by, let's see, what is this? 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:39.440 I wrote this. 00:02:39.440 --> 00:02:43.820 Regis Bimo wrote, micro whiskey is now in maintenance mode. 00:02:43.820 --> 00:02:48.860 And sure enough, if you go over to read the docs, it says note, this project is in maintenance 00:02:48.860 --> 00:02:49.140 mode. 00:02:49.140 --> 00:02:52.480 Only bug fixes and updates for new language APIs. 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:56.300 Do not expect quick answers for GitHub issues or pull requests. 00:02:56.300 --> 00:02:56.880 Sorry about that. 00:02:56.880 --> 00:03:01.240 A big thanks to all users who have contributed over the last 15 years. 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:01.820 That's awesome. 00:03:01.820 --> 00:03:04.000 However, I don't think that's awesome. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.980 It's awesome that they've been working on it for 15 years and people, it's had such a good 00:03:08.980 --> 00:03:09.160 run. 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:15.660 However, the part that's not great, as you point out, Brian, is this is a critical piece 00:03:15.660 --> 00:03:18.840 of internet infrastructure when you're on the internet. 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:20.400 If this is running your app, right? 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:26.700 This is the thing that handles all Python requests and effectively has an open socket to the internet. 00:03:26.700 --> 00:03:30.480 And anything that just listens on an open socket on the internet, especially stuff written in 00:03:30.480 --> 00:03:32.300 C should make you nervous. 00:03:32.300 --> 00:03:33.460 Right. 00:03:33.460 --> 00:03:38.080 It's just, it's there, for, for, whatever might go wrong. 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.400 And so there's a couple of things going on here. 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:45.360 One, it's kind of, it's not fully, fully abandoned, but it's nearly fully abandoned. 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:45.700 Right. 00:03:45.700 --> 00:03:46.540 And that's not great. 00:03:46.540 --> 00:03:50.540 The other is it, I don't believe it supports asynchronous programming. 00:03:50.940 --> 00:03:55.180 So if you want to do anything and async and await in your web apps, which is becoming 00:03:55.180 --> 00:03:57.280 increasingly popular, there's also not an option. 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.260 So just for lots of reasons, it's probably time to find something else. 00:04:01.260 --> 00:04:07.120 And so they listed four things, some of which I would not recommend, but maybe they're, maybe 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:07.920 they're wrong about it. 00:04:07.920 --> 00:04:13.480 Gunicorn, which by the way, some people pronounce gunicorn, but Brian, what is their logo? 00:04:13.480 --> 00:04:14.380 It's a unicorn. 00:04:14.380 --> 00:04:15.260 And what color is it? 00:04:15.260 --> 00:04:15.820 Green. 00:04:15.820 --> 00:04:16.760 It's a green unicorn. 00:04:16.760 --> 00:04:20.160 I'm pretty sure he unicorn stands for green unicorn, not gunicorn. 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:24.240 But you know, y'all say it how you wish, but Gunicorn is how I say it. 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.200 Cause it's a green unicorn mod whiskey, cherry pine waitress. 00:04:28.200 --> 00:04:34.160 I don't hear of any of these as being kind of high end production servers, right? 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:39.600 Waitress is included with, pyramid as a debugging one, for example. 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:45.580 So looking through, it says some people are suggesting engine X unit, which is, like 00:04:45.580 --> 00:04:48.920 a Python worker process that can run inside of engine X. 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.120 That could be interesting. 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.900 someone, this is how I found out about someone says, Hey, maybe we should look at, 00:04:53.900 --> 00:04:56.020 uh, granion and granion. 00:04:56.020 --> 00:05:02.020 And I've had, I've had, Giovanni, the guy who creates it on talk Python to talk about 00:05:02.020 --> 00:05:02.200 it. 00:05:02.200 --> 00:05:03.000 It's written in rust. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.480 It's super stable in terms of its performance fluctuations. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:07.860 It's pretty nice. 00:05:07.860 --> 00:05:10.940 And so that's what we're using now before that it was Gunicorn. 00:05:10.940 --> 00:05:15.340 I think there's some good options, but the long and short of it is micro whiskey is now 00:05:15.340 --> 00:05:16.060 in maintenance mode. 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:21.360 And while that's not, you know, end of the line for it, I would start making plans to not 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:22.360 be running on micro whiskey. 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:24.520 If I was you and you were, you know what I mean? 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:25.380 Okay. 00:05:25.640 --> 00:05:30.480 I mean, that's, I'm actually, I'm interested to hear if we get any feedback from listeners 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.660 that there might be other options or what the recommendations are. 00:05:33.660 --> 00:05:34.260 Let us know. 00:05:34.260 --> 00:05:36.920 Probably the best place would be to comment on the YouTube video. 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:37.880 Put it below there. 00:05:37.960 --> 00:05:40.080 That's, that's kind of our comment sections these days. 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:40.580 Yeah. 00:05:40.580 --> 00:05:40.980 Yeah. 00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:41.380 Nice. 00:05:41.380 --> 00:05:41.860 Okay. 00:05:41.860 --> 00:05:42.340 All right. 00:05:42.340 --> 00:05:42.780 Over to you. 00:05:42.780 --> 00:05:48.940 Well, I was, interested, actually, I have a project where I was thinking about writing 00:05:48.940 --> 00:05:52.620 a little segment of it in rust, even though I don't know rust yet. 00:05:52.620 --> 00:05:58.980 but, but I was interested in the, the, a lot of places are, you know, optimizing little 00:05:58.980 --> 00:06:01.240 bits of their code with rust instead of C now. 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:04.540 So, this is a great article from itamar. 00:06:04.900 --> 00:06:11.640 I think it's itamar turing, traring Turner, try anyway, itamar, it's a article called 00:06:11.640 --> 00:06:15.000 less build and optimized a rust extension for Python. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.920 And I really love the, like the focus of this. 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:21.100 It isn't like, let's it's the focus of it really is. 00:06:21.100 --> 00:06:24.380 I've got one algorithmic function that I want to speed up. 00:06:24.380 --> 00:06:29.220 And that's, I think that's a great place for maybe not building a package for the rest of 00:06:29.220 --> 00:06:34.140 the world to, to use, but internally for the internal tools, that's a great way to, to, 00:06:34.340 --> 00:06:35.080 to look at things. 00:06:35.080 --> 00:06:42.380 So his, his example is a, a thing of counting unique values and you could just 00:06:42.380 --> 00:06:42.880 count them. 00:06:42.880 --> 00:06:48.320 He's gotten the exact count is using sets and, the length of a set, but everything in 00:06:48.320 --> 00:06:48.660 a set. 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:53.540 But, but he says, if you've got 10 million items, it'll be in a set with 10 million items 00:06:53.540 --> 00:06:53.860 in it. 00:06:53.860 --> 00:06:55.640 So there's a space limit there. 00:06:55.640 --> 00:06:57.800 So, and then you take the length of that. 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:04.340 so I'm in there, you know, you probably count things or something, but, the, 00:07:04.340 --> 00:07:05.980 is like, how do, how do we speed that up? 00:07:05.980 --> 00:07:11.820 And one of the algorithms is a, it's called a very simple algorithm, from, I'm not going 00:07:11.820 --> 00:07:12.820 to try to pronounce that name. 00:07:12.820 --> 00:07:17.920 but he has a link to the algorithm that's getting an approximation of the answer, 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:19.900 how approximately how many. 00:07:20.060 --> 00:07:25.840 And so he just implements that whole algorithm in Python and then, and then runs it and, 00:07:25.840 --> 00:07:28.540 and it, and then runs it against the exact count. 00:07:28.540 --> 00:07:29.620 And it's pretty close. 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:31.860 He runs it a few times and he gets different answers, but. 00:07:31.860 --> 00:07:33.340 That's a crazy algorithm. 00:07:33.340 --> 00:07:33.900 Yeah. 00:07:33.900 --> 00:07:35.500 Oh, did you read it? 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:37.260 Well, just looking over it real quick. 00:07:37.260 --> 00:07:44.360 It's, you know, given a iterable make some, and how fast adding new items is increasing the 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:46.540 duplicity or, or lack thereof. 00:07:46.540 --> 00:07:46.960 Yeah. 00:07:46.960 --> 00:07:48.160 That's pretty wild. 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:48.760 It is. 00:07:48.760 --> 00:07:49.500 It's pretty close. 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:54.980 and I remember reading about this algorithm recently also, but anyway, it's kind of a 00:07:54.980 --> 00:07:57.820 neat, neat example of, okay, let's try this algorithm out. 00:07:57.820 --> 00:08:01.820 And there's other algorithms for approximating uniqueness as well. 00:08:01.820 --> 00:08:06.120 comments later, but, he just took this one cause it's kind of a small algorithm. 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:07.360 So it kind of works. 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:13.740 and so let's, he did a speed comparison and it's, it's significantly slower. 00:08:13.740 --> 00:08:19.620 It's, the exact count is point is 0.14 seconds and the approximation is 0.7 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:20.600 seven, eight seconds. 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.140 So it's, it's a lot slower than the exact count. 00:08:24.140 --> 00:08:26.580 but it takes up tons less memory. 00:08:26.580 --> 00:08:28.940 So if you have a like memory constraint, that's important. 00:08:28.940 --> 00:08:33.540 and also if you're just doing an example from a small count, but you have a huge set 00:08:33.540 --> 00:08:35.700 that you're really going to count, you want an approximation. 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:41.160 So, so this is a great, a great setup for how do we make this faster in rust? 00:08:41.280 --> 00:08:43.880 And so he actually walks through all of the steps. 00:08:43.880 --> 00:08:45.600 Like you haven't done this before. 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:51.080 let's get mature in and Pio three and set up a project. 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:56.440 he's, so he's even like, just mature in new rust counter prox project. 00:08:56.560 --> 00:09:02.280 and then, goes into it, looks at, looks at what the project set up already. 00:09:02.280 --> 00:09:06.940 It's got some cargo Toml files, pipe project Toml and a source file. 00:09:07.220 --> 00:09:12.400 and, and then he just does it right there and, and figures out how to install it. 00:09:12.400 --> 00:09:15.860 You can already install it, even though there's nothing there in the example project, which 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:16.380 is kind of cool. 00:09:16.380 --> 00:09:17.820 he did look into it. 00:09:17.820 --> 00:09:22.700 It needs, rust doesn't have a random in the example or the algorithm uses random. 00:09:22.700 --> 00:09:27.960 So, this is kind of neat too, is, is how do you, introduction of how do you add, 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:32.460 uh, dependencies and it's cargo add Rand and that it adds a dependency to your project. 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:34.300 so that's it. 00:09:34.340 --> 00:09:37.100 You've got Pio three and Rand as dependencies. 00:09:37.100 --> 00:09:42.720 And then he, just basically translated that algorithm directly to rust. 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.180 And I kind of like that idea of having just a side by side comparison. 00:09:46.180 --> 00:09:50.700 And I'm thinking about like putting these in two editors so I could see them side by side. 00:09:50.700 --> 00:09:51.760 Exactly. 00:09:51.760 --> 00:09:53.140 okay. 00:09:53.140 --> 00:09:56.900 So, so that, that thing, and then how is it faster? 00:09:56.900 --> 00:10:01.720 It's, it's, it's like twice as fast as the Python version, but you would think like, 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.420 aren't we supposed to have like blazing speeds with rust? 00:10:04.420 --> 00:10:09.560 so, and I kind of love that he picks something that like, isn't as, isn't as optimal. 00:10:09.560 --> 00:10:12.920 Like I don't want that much, but like twice as fast. 00:10:12.920 --> 00:10:14.300 I want it to be super fast. 00:10:14.300 --> 00:10:16.820 So yeah, he also goes into some optimization. 00:10:16.820 --> 00:10:19.480 So first, first off is link time optimization. 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:20.840 It's just an ability. 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:27.300 and since, since this is a rust application that you're going to not, you know, you, it's 00:10:27.300 --> 00:10:31.120 fine to take a little bit extra time in linking to make it faster runtime. 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:32.400 Go ahead and turn that on. 00:10:32.400 --> 00:10:35.240 And then, he was looking at the random number generator. 00:10:35.460 --> 00:10:37.680 there's a couple of ways to speed that up. 00:10:37.680 --> 00:10:40.260 One of them is to use the small random number generator. 00:10:40.260 --> 00:10:42.680 It's like less random, but you know, good enough. 00:10:42.680 --> 00:10:43.960 It's not cryptography. 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:44.920 Yeah. 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:50.760 And then, and then also there's, instead of storing in part of the algorithm, 00:10:50.760 --> 00:10:51.760 he's storing items. 00:10:51.760 --> 00:10:56.060 And he's like, instead of, and later taking hashes and instead of storing the items, 00:10:56.060 --> 00:10:57.300 just store the hashes. 00:10:57.300 --> 00:11:03.440 And then, and then, rust or rust has a thing like you can optimize the dealing 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.820 of, collections. 00:11:04.820 --> 00:11:10.240 If you tell it that you're just storing hashes in there, so it doesn't try to rehash your hash. 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:19.980 and, so, so it's like a no hash hasher, another dependency, but that optimization, 00:11:19.980 --> 00:11:24.360 altogether makes it even faster, but it's, it's, it's 0.21. 00:11:24.800 --> 00:11:27.900 so it's, like what? 00:11:27.900 --> 00:11:32.980 Almost four times faster, like a little three and a half times faster than the native, the 00:11:32.980 --> 00:11:33.740 Python version. 00:11:33.740 --> 00:11:34.640 So that's better. 00:11:34.640 --> 00:11:39.880 then he talks about partially other things, but it's, I don't think this is a really about 00:11:39.880 --> 00:11:42.900 how much faster his implementation of this was. 00:11:42.900 --> 00:11:44.380 It's, these are the steps. 00:11:44.380 --> 00:11:49.580 If you want to go through and, speed up a chunk of your Python code, this is a good 00:11:49.580 --> 00:11:50.720 list of how to do that. 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:50.960 So. 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:51.320 Yeah. 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:51.880 Looks great. 00:11:51.880 --> 00:11:53.320 I love the walkthrough. 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.060 And it's not a huge project. 00:11:55.060 --> 00:11:56.480 It's not a huge rewrite and rust. 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.280 It's just this function slow. 00:11:58.280 --> 00:11:59.760 Let's make this function fast. 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:04.200 And I think that's exactly how I'm going to try to probably learn rust is I'm not going 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.340 to try to learn the whole language. 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:07.680 I'm just going to learn enough to optimize something. 00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:09.720 so, and then build on that. 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:10.420 Yes. 00:12:10.420 --> 00:12:15.340 And now before we move on to things really quick, John out in the audience points out, 00:12:15.340 --> 00:12:18.780 says, I believe mod whiskey is an Apache plugin module, which I think he's right. 00:12:18.780 --> 00:12:19.100 Yeah. 00:12:19.100 --> 00:12:20.100 I think that's as well. 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:22.440 And I just wouldn't really want an Apache plugin. 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:26.600 I would kind of like a thing that's a little more dedicated, but yes, I agree. 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.380 And then waitress is one of the few options available on windows based server platforms. 00:12:30.380 --> 00:12:30.820 Okay. 00:12:30.820 --> 00:12:31.720 That's interesting. 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:36.800 The context of the GitHub issue I talked about before was a Docker image. 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:38.920 And so I'm pretty sure it was Linux. 00:12:38.920 --> 00:12:43.740 but yeah, I didn't know about the windows aspect there and I didn't point out like, well, 00:12:43.740 --> 00:12:44.540 what would I have picked? 00:12:44.540 --> 00:12:50.040 So reasonable options to Michael sound like granion, which we're using uvicorn, which used 00:12:50.040 --> 00:12:52.460 to be a kind of dev thing. 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:58.240 And you could plug it into Gina corn with uvicorn workers, but actually it's now its own 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.120 standalone thing with worker management. 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.680 And so, so uvicorn is its own possible option. 00:13:02.680 --> 00:13:08.940 Now Hypercorn from Phillip Jones and court and then Gina corn with uvicorn workers for 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:09.680 async stuff. 00:13:09.680 --> 00:13:12.300 So anyway, putting a bow on that one. 00:13:12.300 --> 00:13:12.620 Okay. 00:13:12.620 --> 00:13:14.800 So you have a few things you do instead. 00:13:14.800 --> 00:13:15.100 Yeah. 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:18.720 I don't, I'm just using granion right now, but all those would be good options. 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:19.280 I think. 00:13:19.280 --> 00:13:19.960 Okay. 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.620 Let me tell you real quick about doubt APM. 00:13:23.620 --> 00:13:25.680 They're big supporters of Python bytes. 00:13:25.680 --> 00:13:27.220 So we appreciate that very much. 00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:32.660 So if you are tired of spending hours trying to find the root cause of issues impacting 00:13:32.660 --> 00:13:36.140 your performance, then you owe it to yourself to check out scout APM. 00:13:36.140 --> 00:13:42.200 They're a leading Python application performance monitoring tool, APM, that helps you identify 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.220 and solve performance abnormalities faster and easier. 00:13:45.220 --> 00:13:50.860 Scout APM ties bottlenecks such as memory leaks, slow database queries, background jobs, and the 00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:55.940 dreaded N plus one queries that you can end up if you do lazy loading in your ORM. 00:13:55.940 --> 00:13:58.340 And then you say, oh no, why is it so slow? 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00:15:02.780 --> 00:15:03.380 Yeah. 00:15:03.380 --> 00:15:04.100 All right. 00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:09.940 What if, Brian, what if you were super excited, finally be contacted by a recruiter for one 00:15:09.940 --> 00:15:11.200 of those jobs you're looking for? 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:11.660 Yeah. 00:15:11.660 --> 00:15:15.620 And really all they wanted was your passwords, your bank login, and your crypto. 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:16.620 Dear. 00:15:16.620 --> 00:15:20.240 Dear, that is so, why can't people be better? 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.120 You know, some people just suck. 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:28.020 So the item I want to talk about comes to us from reversing labs and pretty cool logo 00:15:28.020 --> 00:15:31.100 there with the reversed R for reversing labs, I got to say. 00:15:31.100 --> 00:15:37.240 And the title is fake recruiter coding tests target devs with malicious Python packages. 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:38.200 That's not ideal. 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.640 And I don't know why we need to have the word Python packages in here. 00:15:41.640 --> 00:15:46.780 Just malicious Python code, because a lot of it comes from GitHub repositories, not IPI. 00:15:46.780 --> 00:15:47.960 So I don't know. 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.000 I think kind of put the packages to the side. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.720 That's not germane to this, really. 00:15:51.940 --> 00:15:55.540 What is, is people are using recruiting tests. 00:15:55.540 --> 00:15:59.920 So a lot of, this is something that I never encountered in my, yes, I never encountered 00:15:59.920 --> 00:16:00.760 this in my entire life. 00:16:00.760 --> 00:16:03.300 A take home exercise or something. 00:16:03.300 --> 00:16:08.500 It was interviews and it was live sort of code performances or whatever, I guess you would 00:16:08.500 --> 00:16:10.180 call them, but never take home. 00:16:10.180 --> 00:16:13.100 And that's just something that's becoming really popular for better or worse. 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:13.600 All right. 00:16:13.660 --> 00:16:19.440 So reversing labs found the VM connect campaign, which I don't really know much about continuing 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:26.140 with malicious actors posing as recruiters using packages and the names of financial firms to lure 00:16:26.140 --> 00:16:26.860 developers. 00:16:26.860 --> 00:16:27.860 So that's pretty bad. 00:16:27.860 --> 00:16:29.540 What's happening here? 00:16:29.540 --> 00:16:32.480 So they've, this is not exclusive to Python. 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.940 It's happened through npm before and so on. 00:16:34.940 --> 00:16:39.560 And this seems to be tied to North Korea's Lazarus group, ATP group. 00:16:39.560 --> 00:16:40.640 That means bad stuff. 00:16:40.640 --> 00:16:42.360 You know, they're pretty, pretty skilled. 00:16:42.540 --> 00:16:43.960 But here's what happens. 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:50.520 They found that people are getting these requests for coding tests and it says, here's your, here's 00:16:50.520 --> 00:16:51.120 your coding test. 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.100 And if you look at it, I think I can even zoom it here. 00:16:53.100 --> 00:16:54.100 Well, not really. 00:16:54.100 --> 00:16:55.200 It kind of zooms. 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.980 Anyway, it says, here's a fully functional password manager in Python. 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:02.080 Basically this, you can see some grammatical errors in there. 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.600 You might, that might clue you off, but probably not. 00:17:04.600 --> 00:17:08.420 This is a fully functional password manager that possesses almost all of its features. 00:17:08.420 --> 00:17:09.420 And here's an image. 00:17:09.780 --> 00:17:14.660 This is the important part before making any modifications, ensure the project is running 00:17:14.660 --> 00:17:15.220 successful. 00:17:15.220 --> 00:17:19.780 And if you trusted this organization, you were really keen to get going like, all right, well, 00:17:19.780 --> 00:17:21.080 let's just, I know what I'm doing. 00:17:21.080 --> 00:17:23.020 Python space, this, boom, boom. 00:17:23.020 --> 00:17:28.340 It's the running of this project that they delivered to you over GitHub or some other, they just sent 00:17:28.340 --> 00:17:35.800 you a thing to unzip and run that then downloads all the code, installs back doors, various other 00:17:35.800 --> 00:17:37.060 malware into your machine. 00:17:37.060 --> 00:17:40.820 And then you probably go on to finish the work and submit it and never hear back oddly. 00:17:40.820 --> 00:17:41.440 Yeah. 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:46.140 And then somebody is actually like finishing the assignment and not. 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:47.160 Yes, I know. 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.080 It's so sad. 00:17:48.080 --> 00:17:49.680 Sucks so much. 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:51.040 Oh, that's terrible. 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:51.540 Yeah. 00:17:51.540 --> 00:17:58.940 The analysis revealed that the direct parent of the detected malicious files is a Python PYC 00:17:58.940 --> 00:17:59.380 file. 00:17:59.740 --> 00:18:04.400 So that's how they obscure it as part of what they give you are PYC files, not Python 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:05.160 source files. 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.040 So you can't really see inside them. 00:18:07.040 --> 00:18:12.120 Oh, and you, and you kind of think, oh, well, that's legitimate because it's a, because it's 00:18:12.120 --> 00:18:12.680 an interview. 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.700 I, they're going to want to show me, show me the source code or something. 00:18:15.700 --> 00:18:16.040 Exactly. 00:18:16.040 --> 00:18:16.480 Yeah. 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.680 It totally makes sense because yeah, if I saw this, well, then I would be able to, nope, 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.620 your job is to have this opaque thing and write this one part. 00:18:23.620 --> 00:18:25.720 But no, it's just the opaque part is a virus. 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:27.140 Oh, that's so sucks. 00:18:27.140 --> 00:18:28.200 It totally does. 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:28.640 Yeah. 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.860 So I would, do you have recommendations? 00:18:30.860 --> 00:18:32.480 Well, I, let's hear yours first. 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:38.820 Oh, I was thinking that, so, I've, both, taken, interviews like this, 00:18:38.820 --> 00:18:47.360 um, coding exercises and given them, but in, in, let's see, most of the times I've 00:18:47.360 --> 00:18:48.540 only given them in text form. 00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:53.400 I've given a description and then somebody can like email me back or, or submit. 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:57.220 on a form, the, what code for answering it. 00:18:57.220 --> 00:19:02.680 and then also since there's AI and everything, or you could just like hire somebody to do the 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:07.580 code for you, that code I then use as part of the interview process. 00:19:07.580 --> 00:19:13.140 Like we will talk about, we'll talk about what choices they made in the code during the actual 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:14.100 talking interview. 00:19:14.100 --> 00:19:19.140 the other thing, and I've had, I've had that happen with me as well. 00:19:19.140 --> 00:19:22.680 When I've done coding exercises, the other thing is using platforms. 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:24.440 Like there's, there's online platforms. 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.860 You don't install anything on your own computer, during a coding exercise. 00:19:27.860 --> 00:19:32.160 And I would be more willing to do that, than, than believe somebody. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:37.200 But I know there's a lot of GitHub based, like there's a private repo you git added to, 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:41.200 and then you can go and try to take the, do the coding assignment. 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.820 I know that happens and I would just, I probably wouldn't do it, I guess, or I don't know, but. 00:19:45.820 --> 00:19:46.600 Yeah, sure. 00:19:46.760 --> 00:19:51.940 I think some other things that I had in mind was if you're just trying out a Docker container 00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:55.760 and it's something real simple, sorry, Python package, I do it in a Docker container. 00:19:55.760 --> 00:20:00.940 You know, if you're just doing it on the terminal or like a simple editor, just fire up a Docker 00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:02.640 container shell into it. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:08.020 You know, Docker exec GSH or bash or whatever, and then play with it over there and then throw 00:20:08.020 --> 00:20:08.740 the container away. 00:20:08.740 --> 00:20:11.360 Or like you said, there's a lot of online platforms. 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:16.360 So for example, I think VS Code has, you know, code.dev. 00:20:16.360 --> 00:20:17.040 Is that right? 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:21.640 I can't remember what it was the, like if you open up GitHub and just press dot, whatever 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.280 happens there, maybe you could do it there. 00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:23.760 Yeah. 00:20:23.760 --> 00:20:24.780 maybe not. 00:20:24.780 --> 00:20:29.300 probably what I would actually do is I would fire up a virtual machine that has snapshotting 00:20:29.300 --> 00:20:30.100 capabilities. 00:20:30.100 --> 00:20:34.860 And by snapshot, I mean like save how it is now on the, on the disc and then make a differencing 00:20:34.860 --> 00:20:35.220 disc. 00:20:35.220 --> 00:20:39.420 And then when you're done with the project, just throw away the snapshot, the different reset 00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:40.080 to the snapshot. 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:40.620 Right. 00:20:40.620 --> 00:20:45.740 So that's long as it's, you're not afraid of it being potentially on your network. 00:20:45.740 --> 00:20:46.140 Right. 00:20:46.140 --> 00:20:48.580 But if it's in a VM, it's probably pretty safe. 00:20:48.580 --> 00:20:48.860 Right. 00:20:48.860 --> 00:20:55.160 And then also you could go over to Azure and get a windows machine, windows VM that you can 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:56.120 remote desktop into. 00:20:56.120 --> 00:21:01.440 That's a full windows machine in the desktop, in the cloud as a desktop, you log into right 00:21:01.440 --> 00:21:03.660 there and just throw away the virtual machine. 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:06.060 Cause you know, then it's not even on your network. 00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:06.380 Right. 00:21:06.380 --> 00:21:06.920 Yeah. 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:11.520 I think, and as much as I like using my own editor, I think that I'm, I think that people 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:16.300 that are giving coding exercises really should use a platform, because it's just more 00:21:16.300 --> 00:21:17.100 fair for everybody. 00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:22.400 The, and the, even our friends at PyBytes have their own interview platform 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:23.100 that you can do. 00:21:23.100 --> 00:21:25.420 You can do their little things. 00:21:25.420 --> 00:21:26.560 Matt agrees with you. 00:21:26.560 --> 00:21:27.820 Plus one for coding platforms. 00:21:27.820 --> 00:21:29.100 Yeah. 00:21:29.100 --> 00:21:29.580 All right. 00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:30.140 Okay. 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:34.000 So folks be, just be on the lookout and be careful out there. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:34.700 It's the internet. 00:21:34.700 --> 00:21:36.580 Well, is it my turn? 00:21:36.580 --> 00:21:37.500 I think so. 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.360 let's, let's talk about office hours. 00:21:40.360 --> 00:21:46.780 so the PSF has announced that the PSF board is having office hours, which is kind of cool. 00:21:46.780 --> 00:21:47.600 They're going to do it monthly. 00:21:47.600 --> 00:21:50.740 So if you have a question, if you, what do they say? 00:21:50.740 --> 00:21:52.340 greetings Pythonista. 00:21:52.340 --> 00:21:57.980 I'm not going to read all of this, but the PSF, is going to open up, office hours 00:21:57.980 --> 00:22:03.840 and monthly, the office hours will be a session, be sessions where you can share with us how 00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:08.880 we can help your community and express your perspectives and provide feedback to the PSF. 00:22:09.340 --> 00:22:13.480 And hopefully everybody will be nice, but had an issue with people being nice. 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:14.520 So try to be nice. 00:22:14.520 --> 00:22:20.460 then also, the joining of the office hours, there's, there's, we missed the first 00:22:20.460 --> 00:22:23.520 one that was September 10, but there's one October 8th. 00:22:23.520 --> 00:22:26.940 And then, and then there's, you know, there's a list here we've got. 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:28.700 Well, I'll just put the list in the show notes. 00:22:28.700 --> 00:22:31.220 Also, what do you, what are they going to talk about? 00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:36.940 Well, they might have, they might have a topic, but, they also might not. 00:22:36.940 --> 00:22:40.900 So it says that you can bring up, I can't remember where, where it said this, but you 00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:44.440 can bring up, there'll either be a topic, but if there's not a topic, you can bring up 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:48.120 something that's Python related or something that the board might be able to help you with. 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:49.540 So that's really cool. 00:22:49.540 --> 00:22:54.060 I love the accessibility that, that, that people have access to. 00:22:54.060 --> 00:22:54.560 Yeah. 00:22:54.560 --> 00:22:55.420 I think it's kind of cool. 00:22:55.420 --> 00:22:59.400 I think it's kind of like, it kind of reminds me of, you know, you can, I've never 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:05.280 gone, but my, my little local community that I live in, I can go watch the, the, 00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:10.380 the, the city board meetings if I wanted to, I don't, I don't do that, but I like that 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:11.780 it's possible that I can. 00:23:11.780 --> 00:23:13.220 So it's a good thing. 00:23:13.220 --> 00:23:14.500 So thanks PSF. 00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:15.320 Yep. 00:23:15.320 --> 00:23:15.940 Yeah. 00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:16.320 Very cool. 00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:16.860 All right. 00:23:16.860 --> 00:23:21.480 and I kind of made this one short cause I know we've got quite a few extras to talk 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:21.780 about. 00:23:21.780 --> 00:23:24.220 do you want to kick off the extras? 00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:25.480 Let's kick it off. 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.760 Let's, this is a good one to kick it off with cause this is a joint extra. 00:23:28.760 --> 00:23:36.000 Big news is our courses, mine, yours, and our friends are on humble bundle for a couple 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:36.460 of weeks. 00:23:36.460 --> 00:23:43.140 So if you want to get what I think is probably a ridiculous deal, like $1,882 worth of content 00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:44.420 for $25. 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:47.860 Check it out. 00:23:47.860 --> 00:23:52.080 One of the things that's unique about humble bundle, if you're not familiar with it and partly 00:23:52.080 --> 00:23:55.640 why we're participating is a lot of money goes to charity right now. 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.280 It's just launched and so far has already raised almost $3,000 for charity. 00:23:59.280 --> 00:24:00.020 That's pretty cool. 00:24:00.020 --> 00:24:05.440 Traditionally over the years, we've worked with humble bundle and raised a lot of money for 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:07.580 the PSF and for other organizations through this. 00:24:07.580 --> 00:24:10.880 So this year's charity is girls who code. 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.260 So check it out. 00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:20.580 And there's stuff from me, from Brian, from jet brains, from Matt Harrison, from Reuben Lerner, 00:24:20.580 --> 00:24:22.960 from PyBytes, real Python. 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:26.260 And anybody I'm leaving out there, I don't think so. 00:24:26.260 --> 00:24:26.940 But yeah. 00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:28.200 What else do you want to say about this, Brian? 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.660 I'm kind of excited about checking out the CPython internals. 00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:32.900 I've put off looking at that. 00:24:32.900 --> 00:24:36.000 And I think I might grab it so I can read that. 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.980 Also, I think my Visual Studio Code plus Python skills are pretty good. 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:44.060 But I'm curious to know what your course has in there. 00:24:44.060 --> 00:24:47.500 There's actually quite a few goodies in there. 00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:50.240 And also, it's ridiculous, though. 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:57.320 The, I'm including the, both the new Hello pytest course and, and the 00:24:57.320 --> 00:24:59.820 complete pytest course and the pytest course on your side. 00:24:59.820 --> 00:25:04.620 I know that's kind of a lot of pytest, but I kind of think about it a lot. 00:25:04.620 --> 00:25:10.260 so a lot of exciting people already joining, and I'm getting some great questions in 00:25:10.260 --> 00:25:11.200 the community forum. 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.560 so that's really good. 00:25:12.600 --> 00:25:13.620 Even some great feedback. 00:25:13.620 --> 00:25:14.740 yeah, it's awesome. 00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:16.720 So I'm pretty excited about this. 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:17.260 All right. 00:25:17.260 --> 00:25:21.880 So this is one among many extras, but do check that out if this sounds interesting to you. 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:24.480 It's a lot of stuff and it's for a good cause. 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:24.740 Okay. 00:25:24.740 --> 00:25:30.200 Next, I believe we've talked about the Django Not program before, which is super cool. 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:35.600 I've had Sarah and Tushar on Talk Python and linked about that as well in the show notes. 00:25:35.600 --> 00:25:41.140 But the news here is that Django Not Space Session 3 applications are open. 00:25:41.340 --> 00:25:42.880 So get in there and apply. 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.420 This is a program that helps you become a contributor, possibly on the path to core developer for 00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:48.780 Django. 00:25:48.780 --> 00:25:50.040 And I think it's a really cool program. 00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:52.680 Free eight week group mentoring program. 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:53.120 Cool. 00:25:53.120 --> 00:25:53.520 Yeah. 00:25:53.520 --> 00:25:55.960 So if you're a fan of Django, you want to get better at open source. 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:56.740 Here we go. 00:25:56.740 --> 00:26:00.460 like I said, a link to this, two more things real quick. 00:26:00.460 --> 00:26:03.840 One planned and one, a surprise alt tab. 00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:07.760 If you're on windows, alt tab is the way you switch between apps on macOS. 00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:09.620 If you switch to macOS, things get weird. 00:26:09.620 --> 00:26:14.360 Like command tab seems like the alt tab, but command tab switches between applications, 00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:15.440 not between windows. 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.940 So for example, if there's like a, Hey, there's an update available for your app. 00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:20.600 And then it goes behind another window. 00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:23.660 There may be no way to keyboard over to it. 00:26:23.660 --> 00:26:28.520 You might have to hit control down and then find it because it doesn't register as like 00:26:28.520 --> 00:26:30.480 a top level application, but it's there. 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:33.200 And like, you want to switch between two windows and web browser. 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.040 I know there's command tab, but that, or sorry, command tilde, but that just cycles. 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:38.360 That doesn't give you a list. 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:45.120 So alt tab is a free open source thing for macOS with a ridiculous amount of options that 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:51.940 has a super cool UI for switching between windows, not applications. 00:26:51.940 --> 00:26:56.800 And like I said, it's open source, but also it doesn't take over the typical commands. 00:26:56.800 --> 00:27:00.460 So it's an either or whatever you feel like hitting while you're working on Mac. 00:27:00.460 --> 00:27:01.080 What do you think, Brian? 00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:01.360 Cool. 00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.920 Yeah, actually, I don't, I never even tried any of this stuff. 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:09.040 I just usually don't have very much open or I have no idea how to find my stuff. 00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:10.700 Yeah. 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:14.400 But if you look over on GitHub, it's got 10,000, almost 11,000 stars. 00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:15.640 It's pretty neat. 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:16.120 Yeah. 00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:17.980 So anyway, people can check that out if they want. 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:19.160 And this is the prize. 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.840 This was not true when I hit, when we logged in to hit record today. 00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:28.720 However, since then, the macOS Sequoia, the new version of macOS is now out. 00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:33.120 Now, if you go to the website, apple.com slash macOS, it says it's in a preview. 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:36.400 But if you go to a system settings, it says, would you like to install it? 00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:38.540 So I don't know. 00:27:38.540 --> 00:27:41.780 If people want to live on the cutting edge, there you go. 00:27:41.780 --> 00:27:42.420 It's time. 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:43.700 I'll let you do it first. 00:27:43.700 --> 00:27:48.040 And then if your computer still works to log in next week, I'll upgrade. 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:51.200 If you ever hear from me again, then it'll be fine. 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:52.700 Yeah. 00:27:52.700 --> 00:27:53.360 Sounds good. 00:27:53.360 --> 00:27:54.320 Anyway, those are my extras. 00:27:54.320 --> 00:27:54.840 Okay. 00:27:54.840 --> 00:27:58.400 I think that we should have covered this earlier, but oh well. 00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.700 PyCascades has the call for proposals is open. 00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:05.260 Maybe we covered it that I just don't remember. 00:28:05.260 --> 00:28:08.540 But anyway, CFP is open, but you only have a few days. 00:28:08.540 --> 00:28:13.320 It's September 16 right now, and the deadline is September 20th. 00:28:13.320 --> 00:28:16.280 So if you haven't gotten those in yet, get those in. 00:28:16.280 --> 00:28:18.600 And mostly I'm bringing this up because I forgot. 00:28:18.600 --> 00:28:20.460 And I'm going to submit a couple. 00:28:20.940 --> 00:28:23.020 But it's going to be exciting because it's in Portland. 00:28:23.020 --> 00:28:24.540 Yay, it's in Portland. 00:28:24.540 --> 00:28:25.660 At least I'll be there. 00:28:25.660 --> 00:28:26.680 Will you be there? 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:27.160 Probably. 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:27.860 Unclear. 00:28:27.860 --> 00:28:28.380 Maybe. 00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:28.660 Unclear. 00:28:28.660 --> 00:28:29.100 Okay. 00:28:29.100 --> 00:28:30.080 Let's give it a strong maybe. 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:32.500 Well, I'm going to try to make sure to be there. 00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:33.560 Yeah, that'll be nice. 00:28:33.780 --> 00:28:34.580 I love PyCascades. 00:28:34.580 --> 00:28:35.020 Okay. 00:28:35.020 --> 00:28:36.260 So that's my first. 00:28:36.260 --> 00:28:39.160 And that's in February. 00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:45.360 So last week we talked about all the uv Python stuff being super cool. 00:28:46.600 --> 00:28:49.860 But we mentioned that you can't do Python 3.13. 00:28:49.860 --> 00:28:50.720 Well, you can now. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:58.960 So Python 3.13 is now available for virtual environments and for anything with uv. 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.560 So uv supports Python 13, but it does not subvert. 00:29:02.560 --> 00:29:07.320 If the next question is, can I do the other one? 00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:08.800 Free-threaded. 00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:10.120 Can we do through free-threaded? 00:29:10.120 --> 00:29:11.080 No, not yet. 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:16.480 But hey, I think it's great to just support the normal one so that people can get their stuff in. 00:29:16.700 --> 00:29:19.420 So I think that's all my extras. 00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:20.360 Awesome. 00:29:20.360 --> 00:29:20.960 Awesome. 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:21.280 Awesome. 00:29:21.280 --> 00:29:22.660 Anyway, thanks a lot. 00:29:22.660 --> 00:29:22.880 Yeah. 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:31.120 I just want to quickly add that I tried uv Python list dash Python preference dash online only managed. 00:29:31.120 --> 00:29:38.660 And it didn't show 3.13 or 12.6, but then a uv self-update, run it again. 00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:39.920 So just be aware. 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.220 I think you have to update your uv to get it to show the thing that you put in. 00:29:43.220 --> 00:29:44.020 I'm glad you brought that up. 00:29:44.020 --> 00:29:45.020 I was going to say that. 00:29:45.020 --> 00:29:45.860 Yeah. 00:29:46.100 --> 00:29:46.760 I forgot. 00:29:46.760 --> 00:29:51.200 And also, I think uv self-update is such an awesome thing. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.280 You just have to. 00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:54.500 It's a great name, self-update. 00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:56.980 I wish I had Brian self-update. 00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:58.440 That'd be cool. 00:29:58.440 --> 00:29:59.380 Exactly. 00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:01.800 Body's getting a little old and beat up. 00:30:01.800 --> 00:30:02.380 Self-update. 00:30:02.380 --> 00:30:03.240 Oh, there we go. 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:03.700 Yeah. 00:30:03.700 --> 00:30:04.220 Nice. 00:30:04.220 --> 00:30:06.620 Power. 00:30:06.620 --> 00:30:07.960 We can't rebuild them. 00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:08.360 Okay. 00:30:08.360 --> 00:30:08.860 Okay. 00:30:08.860 --> 00:30:10.620 Let's get something funny. 00:30:10.620 --> 00:30:11.120 All right. 00:30:11.120 --> 00:30:17.240 Well, I was saving this for the November when we have the election in the US. 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.600 This is not political people. 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:19.600 So please don't write me. 00:30:19.600 --> 00:30:21.100 But this is a tech joke. 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.740 Since Biden dropped out, the joke's kind of got a shelf life. 00:30:24.740 --> 00:30:25.420 Let's go. 00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:27.060 So here it is, Brian. 00:30:27.060 --> 00:30:29.500 Errors 404 and 403 went voting. 00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:30.960 404 voted for Trump. 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:32.540 403, 403 forbidden. 00:30:32.540 --> 00:30:35.460 Oh, Biden. 00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:36.640 Oh, dear. 00:30:36.780 --> 00:30:38.080 Because 403 is forbidden. 00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:38.700 But anyway. 00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:39.500 Oh. 00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:43.740 That's what I got for you today. 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:46.860 That's terrible. 00:30:46.860 --> 00:30:47.680 Yeah. 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:48.620 It's definitely a dad joke. 00:30:48.620 --> 00:30:49.160 Okay. 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:51.380 I've got a good one for you next week. 00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:52.040 All right. 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:52.180 Yeah. 00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:52.640 Let's do it. 00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:53.020 All right. 00:30:53.020 --> 00:30:53.940 Looking forward to it. 00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:54.840 And yeah. 00:30:54.840 --> 00:30:55.460 Thanks. 00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:57.500 Thanks to everybody for showing up. 00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:02.480 And remember, check out the Humble Bundle. 00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:03.360 We appreciate it. 00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:03.580 Yeah. 00:31:03.580 --> 00:31:04.020 Indeed.