WEBVTT 00:00:00.020 --> 00:00:04.740 Hello and welcome to Python Bytes, where we deliver Python news and headlines directly to your earbuds. 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:09.260 This is episode 432, recorded May 19th, 2025. 00:00:09.700 --> 00:00:10.360 I am Michael Kennedy. 00:00:10.780 --> 00:00:11.740 And I am Brian Okken. 00:00:12.060 --> 00:00:14.560 And this episode is brought to you by NordLayer. 00:00:14.760 --> 00:00:20.580 Awesome bolt-on security that you can add to all of your dev stations and servers and so on. 00:00:20.860 --> 00:00:22.240 I'll tell you more about that later. 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:27.560 If you like social media things, you can stay up on a lot of announcements and follow the show. 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:34.660 follow us, Fosstodon, Mastodon, Bluesky, links at the top of the show notes in the podcast player. 00:00:35.060 --> 00:00:42.940 Join us live most days, most days, at 10 a.m. Monday Pacific time, just pythonbytes.fm/live. 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:48.560 Brian was being a world traveler, so we didn't do it last week, but we're back at it. 00:00:48.980 --> 00:00:51.600 And our email list is getting better and better. 00:00:52.060 --> 00:00:54.060 So be sure to sign up as the friend of the show. 00:00:54.100 --> 00:01:04.640 you'll get cool summaries and extra information to get more out of the episode. Like before, as in pre, not after, Brian. Yeah, as in pre. Like pre-commit. 00:01:04.739 --> 00:01:22.280 I'd like to cover an article from Adam Johnson, pre-commit, install with uv. And it's just a short little tip, but I didn't know you could do this. So pre-commit normally, I've installed it before, but I can't really remember how to. 00:01:22.940 --> 00:01:29.680 And Adam brings up that the install guide is maybe not the friendliest, particularly for developers who don't use Python. 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:36.200 But also, anyway, I guess pre-commits used for other stuff too, right? 00:01:36.660 --> 00:01:39.340 So, but you can use uv. 00:01:39.700 --> 00:01:42.380 So that's really the article talking about a couple things. 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:43.620 Not only just use uv. 00:01:43.900 --> 00:01:47.700 So you can use uv by saying uv tool install pre-commit. 00:01:47.860 --> 00:01:51.580 And now you have pre-commit installed for all of your projects in one place. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.480 And then, but the recommendation also is to use with pre-commit uv. 00:01:57.690 --> 00:02:02.680 So this extra thing is this with you is pre-commit uv. 00:02:03.050 --> 00:02:07.220 It says use uv to create virtual environments and install packages for pre-commit. 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:10.539 And also comments that why would you do this? 00:02:10.660 --> 00:02:12.520 Because it speeds up the initial install. 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:14.580 And so the initial thing. 00:02:15.020 --> 00:02:27.820 And so if you've got it loaded on your local computer, apparently the first run of pre-commit with all of your extras, it'll probably be a little bit slower than later because there's a pre-commit cache that goes on. 00:02:28.200 --> 00:02:34.580 But for instance, if you're doing like Docker images in your CI system, there might not be a cache there. 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:42.560 So the, and I might be just talking smoke because there might be a way to get around it with containers anyway. 00:02:43.020 --> 00:02:49.000 However, if you really want that first initial one to be a little bit faster anyway, So using uv might be a good answer. 00:02:49.300 --> 00:02:55.000 So anyway, also, so that's not, that's actually not why David or David Adam recommends this. 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:57.320 Yeah, he recommends it just because it's an easier install. 00:02:57.500 --> 00:02:58.080 And it sure is. 00:02:58.260 --> 00:03:01.380 The other thing is you don't even need Python installed for that to work. 00:03:01.980 --> 00:03:02.400 That's true. 00:03:02.760 --> 00:03:02.820 Yep. 00:03:03.420 --> 00:03:07.520 But uv tool, uv tool install pre-commit with pre-commit uv. 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.060 And then you've just got pre-commit working. 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.400 And yeah, you don't even need Python already installed. 00:03:14.700 --> 00:03:19.700 So the uv packaging manager and all that stuff and caching will just work. 00:03:20.020 --> 00:03:21.320 And I kind of love it. 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.700 I've been using uv tool for a lot of stuff lately. 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:24.900 It's pretty slick. 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:27.640 So yeah, I just tried this out this morning. 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:28.940 Worked like a charm. 00:03:29.320 --> 00:03:29.600 Love it. 00:03:29.820 --> 00:03:30.540 Yeah, that's super neat. 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:31.880 And yeah, UV 00:03:31.880 --> 00:03:32.320 all the way. 00:03:32.460 --> 00:03:33.380 I think they're doing great stuff. 00:03:33.680 --> 00:03:38.600 I actually have a couple of things tangential or directly related to uv as well for the week. 00:03:38.760 --> 00:03:39.720 So let's get to it. 00:03:40.060 --> 00:03:43.520 The next thing that I have is kind of like that, but it's not uv. 00:03:44.140 --> 00:03:44.700 Hold on. 00:03:44.880 --> 00:03:45.540 Hold that thought. 00:03:45.740 --> 00:03:46.060 Here we go. 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:58.420 So this thing is PEP773 has been accepted by, created by Steve Dower, who does a lot of the Windows plus Python work, core developer, but also works at Microsoft. 00:03:58.880 --> 00:04:01.840 So it is a Python installation manager for Windows. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:15.760 So it's, maybe I'm not quite getting it right when I describe it this way, but to me it feels very much like an official Windows-based UV-like thing, at least for managing the Python side of stuff, okay? 00:04:16.239 --> 00:04:21.260 So it's put there as a one manager to rule them all, PyManager. 00:04:21.579 --> 00:04:31.080 So it goes under the colloquial name of PyManager, but I believe its official name is something like the Python Manager for Windows type of thing, something like that. 00:04:31.520 --> 00:04:38.280 And the idea is there's right now multiple ways to get Python onto your computer, and they're unrelated and different. 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:44.640 So I could go to python.org and download it, And that would give me a PY launcher that I can run and do things. 00:04:44.780 --> 00:04:48.280 Or I could go to the Windows Store and install it that way, which is another thing. 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:51.760 Or I could use WinGit or I could use NuGet to install it. 00:04:51.820 --> 00:04:54.140 It's like, okay, what do I do? 00:04:54.880 --> 00:04:54.960 Right? 00:04:55.270 --> 00:04:59.160 So the idea here is that this is one thing that does all the stuff that those do. 00:04:59.170 --> 00:05:00.260 You don't have to think about it. 00:05:00.500 --> 00:05:01.980 You can get it those different ways. 00:05:02.090 --> 00:05:08.640 So if somebody told you to go to the Windows Store and get Python, you would get PyManager as an MSIX, which is the installer 00:05:08.640 --> 00:05:10.040 runtime. 00:05:10.540 --> 00:06:08.420 Windows, like the install, it's like a PKG for Mac. So you would get that there, or you could go to python.org and download it, and you would get the same thing and the other ways you get it. So it's kind of a similar way to get Python that's consistent across all of them. And what's cool about it is it's super easy to use. So if you just type the word Python, it will launch the best, in quotes, the best Python runtime that either is already there, or like here's where the uv stuff comes in or it'll auto install the latest version of cpython if it's not there so at first it's kind of like a shell of python and they used to have that and i think it said something like i don't know if you remember this brian but in windows in the early days you used to say you don't have python go install python if you type the word python you're like great could you help me out or just okay i'll just go do that i guess so what this one now does it says okay great like uv virtual environment or uv tool if you don't have python it just says great we'll get the latest one and we'll run that. 00:06:09.500 --> 00:06:10.100 So that's pretty cool. 00:06:10.380 --> 00:06:15.980 I thought there was for a while, there was like a, if you type Python, it'll like open a window to say, hey, do you want to install this? 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:18.720 And you, if you said, okay, it would take you to the store or something. 00:06:18.940 --> 00:06:19.360 maybe that's 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:19.420 right. 00:06:19.420 --> 00:06:20.940 It would take you to the store, wouldn't it? 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:21.540 Yeah. 00:06:22.380 --> 00:06:22.740 Yeah. 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:24.160 There was some funky ways. 00:06:24.580 --> 00:06:29.620 So it has, I believe py is still there, but it's going to have the same sub commands as well. 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:30.580 And so on. 00:06:30.740 --> 00:06:33.400 So like install, uninstall list, run. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:39.740 And one thing that's kind of nice is you can also get Python three, commands in Windows if you just 00:06:39.740 --> 00:06:40.700 add something 00:06:40.700 --> 00:06:41.180 to your path. 00:06:41.500 --> 00:06:51.220 Because traditionally, I believe it's been a while since I've played with it in real detail, but I think it used to be you had to type Python only, like only Python to work. 00:06:51.370 --> 00:06:56.640 Python 3 didn't work on Windows, but on Mac and Linux, only Python 3 worked. 00:06:57.560 --> 00:06:59.260 Not Python by default. 00:06:59.440 --> 00:06:59.820 You know what I mean? 00:06:59.900 --> 00:07:00.880 It's like, why are they different? 00:07:01.420 --> 00:07:03.920 And so this also brings a little bit of unifying there. 00:07:04.100 --> 00:07:06.460 Okay, just in time for nobody to use Python 2. 00:07:06.820 --> 00:07:06.980 Yes, 00:07:07.070 --> 00:07:07.200 exactly. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:45.500 Exactly. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Maybe they're like, well, at least we should be consistent, but I'm, I'm here for it. Like I'd be fine to cancel Python three as a command and just go, you have to say Python two, if you want Python two, don't, don't make the thing you should be doing harder than the thing you shouldn't be doing. Anyway, this should be a mainstream by Python three 15 and the traditional installers will disappear in three 16, like 20, 27. So it's not a huge change right away, but I believe, what does it say? I believe it says, the top, where will this, this is just a standard, right? It's not one of those things that's in a version of Python. So, soon. 00:07:45.960 --> 00:07:46.720 Soon, soon. Yeah. 00:07:47.880 --> 00:07:48.040 Two 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.740 years. Be here before you know it. Yes, it absolutely will. 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:54.700 Before we move on, yeah, take it away. 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:09.140 Thank NordLayer for sponsoring this episode. 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00:10:01.270 --> 00:10:09.020 So some of the quotes from Will's post announcing this is, Bittersweet news, the business experiment ends, but the code lives on. 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:12.080 Obviously, it's super popular, right? 00:10:12.400 --> 00:10:16.480 And if we go to GitHub somewhere, what are we looking at for stars? 00:10:16.550 --> 00:10:19.180 Yeah, 28,000 stars, super, super popular. 00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:22.060 But as a business, it's no longer a thing. 00:10:22.100 --> 00:10:31.040 So Will says, it began as a hobby project layered on top of rich, but it grew into something that looked impossible to do with terminals and yet somehow it doesn't. 00:10:31.280 --> 00:10:37.440 So despite the success, the team couldn't pinpoint a single aim point big enough to sustain a business model. 00:10:37.610 --> 00:10:42.900 So the company is winding down probably about now, instead in a couple weeks, but that was a few weeks ago. 00:10:43.160 --> 00:10:44.560 Projects themselves aren't going anywhere. 00:10:44.810 --> 00:10:46.780 They're stable, battle tested, and will continue. 00:10:46.950 --> 00:10:50.740 So I want to say thank you, Will, and everyone on the team for this. 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:53.240 It's a big contribution to the community. 00:10:53.580 --> 00:10:54.980 And here, let's see. 00:10:55.280 --> 00:10:56.420 Oh, I don't even see a sponsor. 00:10:56.780 --> 00:10:57.620 A sponsor option. 00:10:58.300 --> 00:10:59.820 Will, put a sponsor option for us here. 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:02.260 So we can recommend people go and sponsor the projects. 00:11:03.019 --> 00:11:03.420 Yeah. 00:11:03.560 --> 00:11:03.640 Yeah. 00:11:04.380 --> 00:11:06.080 At a minimum, help them keep it going strong. 00:11:06.500 --> 00:11:09.560 No, I love what Will has done with Rich and Textual. 00:11:10.899 --> 00:11:13.000 And we're all rooting for Textualize. 00:11:13.300 --> 00:11:17.140 And I don't, I mean, yeah, it's not going to stay a company anymore. 00:11:17.580 --> 00:11:22.660 But I think having it be a company while it was made Textual into something like super cool. 00:11:22.900 --> 00:11:25.720 They were able to focus on it and make it awesome. 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:27.800 So I appreciate everybody's work on that. 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:28.280 Yeah, 00:11:28.520 --> 00:11:28.700 absolutely. 00:11:28.920 --> 00:11:29.300 A hundred percent. 00:11:30.300 --> 00:11:30.740 Over to you, Brian. 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:31.600 All right. 00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:33.220 Well, let's see. 00:11:35.380 --> 00:11:38.420 I'd like to, I heard about this a few weeks ago, actually, I think. 00:11:38.560 --> 00:11:41.900 Also, here's an article, let's see, updated in April. 00:11:42.380 --> 00:11:43.480 So yeah, a month ago. 00:11:43.940 --> 00:11:47.080 It's an article by, I had the name, Matthias Endler. 00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:48.540 The best programmers I know. 00:11:48.980 --> 00:11:51.940 And it's an interesting idea for an article. 00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:55.740 He was just saying, I have met a lot of developers in my life. 00:11:56.060 --> 00:11:59.440 Lately, I've asked myself, what does it take to be one of the best? 00:11:59.800 --> 00:12:01.320 What do they all have in common? 00:12:01.700 --> 00:12:02.800 And I kind of love this. 00:12:03.100 --> 00:12:03.960 And I like the list. 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.320 I encourage you to go and read this article. 00:12:06.820 --> 00:12:07.860 We've got a link in the show notes. 00:12:08.190 --> 00:12:12.120 But I'm going to jump around and read some of the topics. 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:13.820 So read the reference. 00:12:14.160 --> 00:12:45.560 If there's one thing that I should have done as a young programmer, would have been read the reference and uh like the python standard library i admit i have not read all of the standard library um tumble spec things like that um i would add to this that if you're going to do something new uh jump down into beginner mode and just read a beginner reference on something like um even if you even if you're an expert flask developer and you want to switch to fast api uh go ahead and read the beginning tutorial and walk through the beginning tutorial for FastAPI. 00:12:45.710 --> 00:12:47.220 Things like that are helpful. 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:49.200 All right, I'll go a little faster. 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:55.380 The topics, so read the reference, know your tools really well, read the error message. 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.080 Getting good at reading error messages is totally a good skill. 00:13:01.540 --> 00:13:03.880 Breakdown problems, don't be afraid to get your hands dirty. 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:09.220 Always help others, write, blogging, talks, open source, those help you get better. 00:13:09.660 --> 00:13:37.360 Never stop learning, status doesn't matter, build a reputation, have patience, never blame the computer don't be afraid to say i don't know very important don't bs to people that's an that's ai's job um if somebody comes to you give them what you know don't guess keep it simple simple and that's it so uh but uh really great commentary on each of these um i love uh love having this all put together as some good advice for for software developers so 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:46.980 yeah it's easy to forget right it's also easy to not not really know and wondering are they so productive How do they know how that is implemented or how that works internally in Python? 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:48.240 Like, well, they read it. 00:13:48.760 --> 00:13:49.300 You know what I mean? 00:13:50.280 --> 00:13:52.320 The status one is important, I think. 00:13:53.380 --> 00:14:06.760 Don't assume that if you're just because you're – I mean, there's so much complicated stuff in software that it really doesn't take long of focusing on something to become really one of the better people that understand how to use something, 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:07.720 especially 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:08.620 within your company. 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:14.000 So even if you're a junior developer, you might be the expert in ToolX or something like that. 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:22.680 And if you've got a company that's okay with it, and hopefully you do, that's okay with people getting advice from all layers, run with that. 00:14:22.940 --> 00:14:24.280 So yeah, some great advice. 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:25.060 Yeah, definitely. 00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:25.920 All right. 00:14:26.100 --> 00:14:27.220 Well, that's 00:14:27.220 --> 00:14:28.020 it for our main item, Brian. 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:30.280 So let's talk about a little bit of security. 00:14:30.660 --> 00:14:30.820 Okay. 00:14:30.900 --> 00:15:50.060 So how do you access your server if you're running in the cloud and some sort of hosting, maybe even a home lab that you somehow, for some reason, have it accessible to the internet, things like that? SSH, right? That's almost universally. Sometimes with Windows, you might be doing a remote desktop, but probably SSH, yeah? At least 80% of the stuff out there is managed that way. Yeah, look at this little quick answer. How many SSH attacks can a public Linux server expect per second? Two. Two attacks per second. That's crazy. No, sorry. I multiplied it all. Every two. Every two seconds. So that's like 30,000 attempts to hack your SSH. And the reason why do I bring this up? This is one of my extras. I've been listening to some security podcasts lately and they're like, oh my gosh, here's what, there's like people are coming up with all these crazy schemes to try to block their SSH. Like, well, I know that I have like my business and my my local house as uh ip addresses are are pretty stable they're not static but they're pretty stable so i'm going to just set up a rule to only allow access to from those two you know what what if the power goes out and like the thing resets around you know i mean that's super dangerous you might never ever get back to there other advice is well like um go into I don't even know how you do it. 00:15:50.200 --> 00:16:00.000 Go into the server and just shut it off, but then use some admin tool, like an admin console, or maybe even go in and just turn off the thing. 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:03.400 So anyway, I have a much better suggestion, I think, for folks. 00:16:03.880 --> 00:16:08.220 Almost everybody's hosting comes with what's called a cloud firewall. 00:16:08.680 --> 00:16:15.100 You just log in from anywhere in the world using your 2FA, and you have access to the dashboard for your cloud setup, right? 00:16:15.220 --> 00:16:17.840 There's console.aws.com. 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.200 There's console.hetsner.com and so on. 00:16:21.520 --> 00:16:28.120 And so just go in there and put your, you can just restrict access to your SSH to your current IP address. 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:35.240 And if for some reason your IP address changes or you're in a coffee shop and you want to get access, just log in real quick and enter that IP address. 00:16:35.700 --> 00:16:38.940 Chances are, if you go back to that coffee shop again, it's still got the same IP address. 00:16:38.970 --> 00:16:39.880 You only got to do it once. 00:16:39.980 --> 00:16:44.480 It's super low effort and your tax go from 30,000 a day to zero. 00:16:45.040 --> 00:16:46.740 Because those are coming from all over the world. 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:49.020 They're not coming, you know, from within the house, right? 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.440 They're not coming from your machine, like back, like 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:52.200 you'd already be, 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:53.020 it'd be too late, right? 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.460 It's just to prevent the public stuff. 00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:56.460 So embrace cloud firewalls, folks. 00:16:56.800 --> 00:16:57.520 That's all I want to say. 00:16:57.800 --> 00:16:58.020 Okay. 00:16:58.420 --> 00:16:58.560 Okay. 00:16:58.940 --> 00:16:59.100 Next. 00:16:59.900 --> 00:17:01.640 This was last week, right? 00:17:02.010 --> 00:17:05.500 But caveat's where I said Python beta one is here. 00:17:05.699 --> 00:17:06.520 314 beta one. 00:17:07.060 --> 00:17:08.600 It is time for some beta pie. 00:17:09.800 --> 00:17:10.020 Tasty. 00:17:11.180 --> 00:17:12.220 Python 3.41. 00:17:12.380 --> 00:17:12.500 Come on. 00:17:13.220 --> 00:17:14.459 So people can check this out. 00:17:14.579 --> 00:17:18.160 This is the preview of the first stable version. 00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:22.280 I guess it really is just the first stable version of Python 3.14, which is cool. 00:17:22.439 --> 00:17:23.160 So check it out. 00:17:23.420 --> 00:17:24.800 Can't believe we're already here again. 00:17:25.100 --> 00:17:25.620 Yeah, I know. 00:17:25.990 --> 00:17:26.439 Here we are. 00:17:27.100 --> 00:17:32.840 Also, I want to say there's a new batch of Python Software Foundation fellows. 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:35.760 And I think there's like 10 folks or so in here. 00:17:35.980 --> 00:17:36.620 Charlie Marsh. 00:17:36.820 --> 00:17:37.580 Charlie Marsh. 00:17:37.940 --> 00:17:38.560 Yeah, obviously. 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:40.020 He's been doing such a great week. 00:17:40.020 --> 00:17:40.440 Frank Wiles. 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:41.080 Yeah. 00:17:41.140 --> 00:17:41.560 A 00:17:41.560 --> 00:17:44.600 lot of cool folks, Ivy, Fung, and other folks. 00:17:44.810 --> 00:17:47.020 I don't want to read off everyone's name, but congrats to everyone in there. 00:17:47.140 --> 00:17:47.980 That's super cool. 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:49.940 Not super cool. 00:17:50.220 --> 00:17:51.920 Post from Mike, drop booms. 00:17:52.360 --> 00:17:57.820 Speaking on behalf or for many, many people here, he is, but it says, I'll just read you a little bit of it, Brian. 00:17:58.020 --> 00:17:59.260 It's been a tough couple of days. 00:18:00.040 --> 00:18:06.380 Microsoft's support for the Faster CPython project has been canceled yesterday, as of four days ago. 00:18:06.580 --> 00:18:08.760 My heart goes out to the majority of the team who was laid off. 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:10.800 I mean, that's actually a lot of people. 00:18:11.100 --> 00:18:15.360 You look at the picture, presuming that all those people there are on the faster C-Python team. 00:18:15.430 --> 00:18:16.440 I'm not entirely sure they are. 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:19.480 But I know that included Vito, Mike, some other folks. 00:18:19.840 --> 00:18:21.580 It's not great, right? 00:18:22.260 --> 00:18:23.640 I can't remember where I read it. 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:30.380 There's some conversations, but someone said, look, it's pretty short-sighted to bet the company on AI as Microsoft is. 00:18:30.800 --> 00:18:36.240 And at the same time, fire the team making the dominant language for that technology better. 00:18:37.320 --> 00:18:38.200 You got 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:39.700 to maximize shareholder value, Brian. 00:18:39.780 --> 00:18:41.680 but like, I don't know, 10 people or something. 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:43.760 How big of a deal is that on the scale of Microsoft? 00:18:44.140 --> 00:18:44.400 Exactly. 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:46.220 So that's that. 00:18:46.360 --> 00:18:53.380 And then also Brett Cannon says there were layoffs yesterday and three Python core devs from the FasterCPython team were caught in them. 00:18:53.540 --> 00:18:57.760 If you know any jobs, please send them their way to help them keep going strong. 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:58.220 You know what I mean? 00:18:58.540 --> 00:18:59.600 So I link to that as well. 00:19:00.760 --> 00:19:02.280 These are some insane people. 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:03.100 You really can't find 00:19:03.100 --> 00:19:04.660 something else for these people to work on. 00:19:05.060 --> 00:19:05.600 Yeah, exactly. 00:19:06.080 --> 00:19:06.300 Exactly. 00:19:06.800 --> 00:19:07.100 All right. 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:08.820 Back to better news. 00:19:09.120 --> 00:19:19.640 So I just released, as in during this episode, push the go public button for something that was formerly known as RedKnot, but is now known as ty. 00:19:20.260 --> 00:19:33.520 This is Astral's new type checker, equivalent of mypy, but also maybe even more important than that is a runtime language server that handles very large code bases and is more lenient than PyLance and others. 00:19:33.940 --> 00:19:34.500 Oh, interesting. 00:19:34.940 --> 00:19:50.400 Another thing that's super interesting, the VS Code team, I don't think unreasonably, but I think they're starting to crack down on allowing a lot of these forks of VS Code access to some of the underlying infrastructure that are extensions, right? 00:19:50.640 --> 00:20:01.700 Like, for example, PyLance, the runtime things, other tooling, a lot of the extensions that Microsoft makes aren't available to say Cursor or Windsurf or the 150,000 other free ones. 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:07.500 So this might be an even better high-performance replacement of things like the language server for the 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:08.840 Vibeconing 00:20:08.840 --> 00:20:09.120 platform. 00:20:09.800 --> 00:20:15.780 Anyway, it's a super cool interview with Karl Meyer and Charlie Marsh, and people should check that out. 00:20:16.040 --> 00:20:16.520 That's nice. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:17.660 So what's TY? 00:20:18.060 --> 00:20:19.860 Is that just because it's easy to type? 00:20:21.300 --> 00:20:21.520 Type? 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:22.340 I think it's for type. 00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:23.060 Type. 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:23.500 Yeah. 00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:25.160 I think of it as like thank you. 00:20:25.420 --> 00:20:25.760 Thank you. 00:20:26.020 --> 00:20:26.860 Yeah, we 00:20:26.860 --> 00:20:28.960 made a lot of jokes about that during the show. 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.840 Everyone says thank you to the astral folks for making it better every time they run it. 00:20:34.420 --> 00:20:34.520 Yeah. 00:20:34.630 --> 00:20:36.460 So that episode is literally hot off the presses. 00:20:36.730 --> 00:20:37.040 Check it out. 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:37.420 Cool. 00:20:37.700 --> 00:20:37.880 Can't wait. 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:48.700 And something I've been doing that's pretty fun, Brian, is I've been doing, I'm working on making a bunch of shorts like TikToks and YouTube shorts and stuff from 00:20:48.700 --> 00:20:49.380 the Talk Python 00:20:49.560 --> 00:20:49.680 episodes. 00:20:50.010 --> 00:20:52.860 So I'm going to play a 15 second video. 00:20:53.340 --> 00:20:54.380 I think people are going to enjoy this. 00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:56.700 This is not exactly the joke, but it's kind of like the joke. 00:20:56.820 --> 00:20:57.120 Are you ready? 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:57.580 Yeah. 00:20:57.860 --> 00:20:57.940 Yeah. 00:20:58.120 --> 00:21:00.660 I guess if you use Postgres, you could just put it in a JSON field as well. 00:21:00.840 --> 00:21:01.100 Something like 00:21:01.100 --> 00:21:01.220 that. 00:21:01.260 --> 00:21:01.560 Oh, yeah. 00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:03.620 We call that mullet schema, right? 00:21:04.040 --> 00:21:08.420 It's business up front and partying back where the last column on the other table is a JSON field. 00:21:08.840 --> 00:21:09.540 I've never heard that. 00:21:09.700 --> 00:21:10.240 That's incredible. 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:11.300 It's like, yeah, 00:21:11.360 --> 00:21:14.200 we look real formal, but don't look back there. 00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:16.780 Got it in a ponytail today. 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:17.440 Yeah. 00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:17.800 Amazing. 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:18.700 Isn't that amazing? 00:21:19.120 --> 00:21:19.220 Yeah. 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:20.280 Anyway, so people 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:22.460 should check out the channel, obviously. 00:21:22.540 --> 00:21:24.160 I'm doing some fun stuff there. 00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:24.820 All right. 00:21:24.900 --> 00:21:25.600 That's it for my extras. 00:21:26.600 --> 00:21:27.380 Maybe let me check. 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:28.840 Yes, that's it for my extras. 00:21:29.080 --> 00:21:30.500 So I just got the joke left. 00:21:30.540 --> 00:21:31.320 How about your extras, Andy? 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:32.580 Just a quick one. 00:21:32.600 --> 00:21:35.220 I wanted to pull up a screen. 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:36.260 Let's see. 00:21:36.580 --> 00:21:37.000 Picture of Munich. 00:21:37.560 --> 00:21:46.060 I just wanted to mention the reason why we mentioned this at the beginning of the show, but the reason why we didn't do it last week is I was in Munich, but I had a great time. 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:46.800 It was a work trip. 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:54.100 I was there to perform a talk or present a talk at an internal conference. 00:21:54.400 --> 00:22:00.200 And the reason why I'm bringing this up is not just to humble brag that I was in Munich, but yeah, it was fun. 00:22:00.740 --> 00:22:03.480 Anyway, it was that I think it's just a really cool idea. 00:22:03.760 --> 00:22:06.340 I was there for an internal company conference. 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:13.300 And I think this is an awesome idea just to allow – we didn't have everybody over there, but everybody could submit talks. 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.880 And if you got your talk accepted, you go, of course. 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:24.620 But it was like a two-day event with like three or four tracks and just like a normal conference. 00:22:24.780 --> 00:22:25.820 We had talks and everything. 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:26.580 It was great. 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:28.820 Everybody self-selected what they got to go through. 00:22:29.080 --> 00:22:38.020 And what I really loved about this was it's difficult to get within a company all the people that care about something together. 00:22:38.420 --> 00:22:41.900 And this allowed people to self-select into what they care about. 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:47.800 And so I had people coming up to me from different divisions that we would have never interacted with before. 00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:51.420 Working on similar problems allow us to work together. 00:22:51.500 --> 00:22:59.480 And I think it's definitely worthwhile for a company to actually reduce costs by spending a little to bring people together to talk about similar things. 00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:01.060 Anyway, that's just my plug. 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.420 And then the other thing was flying back. 00:23:05.020 --> 00:23:09.280 I couldn't sleep on the plane, so I had a ton of time to do something. 00:23:09.380 --> 00:23:13.440 and I got started on a first draft for the second book I'd like to. 00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:13.980 Ooh. 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:14.340 Right. 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:15.080 I 00:23:15.080 --> 00:23:18.420 love it how just stepping away just a little bit sometimes will be like, all right, that's it. 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:19.600 I'm working on this project or 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:19.820 something. 00:23:19.910 --> 00:23:20.220 It just 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:21.620 gives you like that little bit of space 00:23:21.620 --> 00:23:22.040 from 00:23:22.040 --> 00:23:22.440 all 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.040 the day-to-day. 00:23:23.460 --> 00:23:23.800 That's cool. 00:23:24.100 --> 00:23:24.280 Yeah. 00:23:24.600 --> 00:23:25.340 Anyway, so it was good. 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:26.260 Great. 00:23:26.450 --> 00:23:36.920 And if you look at that picture just to the left of that Castle Church thing, I've had a really nice beer brewery, Brow House evening one night over there in Munich. 00:23:37.080 --> 00:23:37.620 It's a fun place. 00:23:37.940 --> 00:23:38.060 Yeah. 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:41.280 Cool, cool. All right. Are we ready for jokes? 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:42.280 We are. 00:23:43.320 --> 00:23:55.700 As a person who is known to be good with computers, sometimes you get dragged into tech support, even though I don't know about you, I'm not especially good at tech support, and I don't necessarily desire to make that skill better. 00:23:56.060 --> 00:23:59.700 I present you the quick and handy manual on how to fix your computer. 00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:00.440 You ready? 00:24:00.860 --> 00:24:00.980 Yeah. 00:24:01.320 --> 00:24:02.520 I can't do any more than that. 00:24:02.590 --> 00:24:04.680 Okay. So it gives you three options. 00:24:04.870 --> 00:24:07.580 Do you have Windows? Do you have a Mac? Or do you have Linux? 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:11.440 So option one, it says, Windows, step one, reboot. 00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:12.720 Did that fix it? 00:24:13.100 --> 00:24:13.220 No? 00:24:13.800 --> 00:24:15.280 Well, then proceed to the next step. 00:24:15.560 --> 00:24:20.600 All right, next step is format hard drive, reinstall Windows, lose all your files, quietly weep. 00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:21.300 Okay. 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:22.520 Okay. 00:24:22.600 --> 00:24:22.720 Let's 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:23.420 see if I can make this bigger. 00:24:23.820 --> 00:24:24.200 There we go. 00:24:24.800 --> 00:24:25.440 The Apple one. 00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:28.340 Step one, take it to the Apple store. 00:24:29.120 --> 00:24:29.880 Did that fix it? 00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:30.580 No? 00:24:30.740 --> 00:24:31.540 Proceeds to step two. 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:36.360 Step two is buy a new Mac, overdraw your account, quietly weep. 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.980 Okay, well, Linux is more DYI, so let's see about that one. 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:42.260 This is step one. 00:24:42.870 --> 00:24:43.680 Learn to code in C. 00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:44.840 Recompile the kernel. 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.420 Build your own microprocessor out of spare silicon you have laying around. 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:49.920 Recompile the kernel again. 00:24:50.110 --> 00:24:50.700 Switch distros. 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:55.900 Recompile the kernel again, but this time using a CPU powered by refracted light from Saturn. 00:24:56.540 --> 00:24:57.520 Grow a giant beard. 00:24:57.760 --> 00:24:59.140 Blame Sun Microsystems. 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.860 Turn your bedroom into a server closet and spend 10 years falling asleep to the sound of whirring fans. 00:25:04.320 --> 00:25:05.120 Switch distros again. 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.220 Abandon all hygiene. 00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:10.180 Write a regular expression that would make other programmers cry blood. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:11.960 Learn to code in Java. 00:25:12.260 --> 00:25:15.040 Recompile the kernel again, but this time wearing your lucky socks. 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:16.100 Did that fix it? 00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:16.780 No. 00:25:17.040 --> 00:25:17.740 Proceed to step two. 00:25:18.120 --> 00:25:21.620 Revert back using Windows or Mac and quietly weep. 00:25:22.840 --> 00:25:23.300 What do you think? 00:25:23.560 --> 00:25:27.040 Yeah, plus it's 10 years later, so the Macs are going to be zipping by then. 00:25:27.940 --> 00:25:28.320 They definitely 00:25:28.320 --> 00:25:28.680 will. 00:25:29.620 --> 00:25:29.840 Wow. 00:25:30.620 --> 00:25:34.160 If anyone needs to do tech support for their family, I present the manual. 00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:35.380 Step-by-step guide. 00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:36.360 Step one and step two. 00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:37.640 yeah yeah 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:47.480 it's funny definitely all right well happy to have you back stateside even though you had a good trip to germany and uh we'll see everyone next week huh good to be back thank you Bye.