#447: Going down a rat hole

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00:05 This is episode 447, recorded September 1st, 2025.

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00:11 And I'm Michael Kennedy.

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01:02 All right, Michael, what are we starting with today?

01:04 You know, I'm afraid.

01:06 I'm really afraid, Brian.

01:06 I'm sorry, but I might be taking us down a rat hole.

01:10 I really might.

01:12 Oh, no.

01:12 I want to talk about Rathole, this tool.

01:15 So Rathole is a, you probably have heard of ngrok.

01:19 right? Yeah, we've talked about it. Yeah, we've talked about it before and it's super useful.

01:24 One of the things that is a real big challenge a lot of times is I need to let somebody or something

01:30 access an API. Let me give you two really big examples that are useful for this. One is web

01:38 hooks. You want to do e-commerce or it doesn't really matter. Anything that has to do with a web

01:43 hook where you're on the receiving end, you're creating the web hook. That's a public website

01:48 or service that's going to call your webhook.

01:50 It needs a public page to access that.

01:53 Well, do you want to like try to open up all the different firewalls on your machine

01:59 and your NAT router and then map an IP address and then give that to that thing?

02:03 No, just don't do that.

02:05 But you need somewhere where you can type in a URL and say, here's my URL for the webhook

02:11 when a signup happens or a thing, whatever, right?

02:14 Whatever the webhook's triggering.

02:15 Yeah.

02:16 So you need a public thing.

02:17 So with Ingrok and Rathole and other tools, what you can do is you can say, create me

02:22 based on this domain, basically an SSH tunnel or something to that equivalent that goes back

02:28 into my machine so that then you can share that URL and basically say, I want that port

02:35 to map over to my web app.

02:37 And you can literally run PyCharm, set a breakpoint, go to the external service, make

02:43 it do a thing, and then boom, you're debugging through and you're checking it out.

02:47 It's really, really nice.

02:48 So Ngrok is great, but people may have noticed I'm on this self-hosting Rathole itself, if you will.

02:55 So I don't know, there's just something about Ngrok.

02:58 They've changed their services a bunch and I'm not super psyched about it.

03:01 So I'm like, well, what else is out there?

03:03 And Chat and I had a little conversation about it and we decided that this is one of the really

03:08 nice high-parity features, also written in Rust, more high performance than some of the other ones

03:14 like FRP and Ngrok, it calls out.

03:17 Okay.

03:18 So what I did is I set this up onto my machine, onto my server, and someone runs Python Bytes, and just said,

03:25 they just run in the background.

03:27 And I've set up the certificates so that I can just type Rathole with a port number.

03:32 You know, on my terminal, I just open up and say Rathole like 3,000 or let's say Rathole 5,000.

03:38 And then I have a port, port map, URL map, automatically over to like say any Flask app that I run.

03:46 How cool is that?

03:47 And it's completely self-hosted.

03:49 And here's the thing.

03:49 You might think, oh, self-hosted, all the stuff you got to deal with.

03:52 It's a single Rust binary that runs in Docker.

03:55 And let me see.

03:56 I'll give you up to the date stats if I can find them, if it's not going to take too long.

04:01 The last time I checked, it was about three megabytes of memory usage.

04:06 What is the rat hole doing right now?

04:08 Oh, my God.

04:09 The rat hole is out of control.

04:10 It's up to 11 megabytes of memory usage on a 16 gigabyte machine.

04:14 I think it's going to be okay.

04:17 isn't that cool though so it's it's just got like um you know a docker container that i didn't even

04:22 have to do any docker stuff i just set up like a little compose file to map all the settings over

04:26 so that i don't have to deal with like passing them every time i run it you know and just set

04:30 it up as an auto start daemon but yeah i just set that up and off it goes cool no so when you're not

04:38 so when you're not using it do you turn it off or is it just always sort of running if it took a lot

04:43 of memory or resources or something, I would turn it off, but it's 11 megabytes.

04:48 Okay.

04:49 And so it's really, like, let me give you a sense of, like, other stuff that's running

04:55 on the server.

04:56 So right now we have MongoDB, which is using 1.3 gigabytes.

05:01 We have Talk Python, which is using 927 megabytes, so a gigabyte.

05:08 What's Python Bytes is running at 590 megabytes.

05:11 So, you know, like 11 out of these is like, it doesn't even show up on the radar, right?

05:16 Like you couldn't even notice if it's running or not.

05:18 And so because of that, no, I just leave it running.

05:21 Okay.

05:22 And then like, but on your, okay, so it's running something on your server and then something on your laptop also?

05:27 Yeah.

05:28 So there's a command that you can run locally.

05:31 And I think I don't have it set up on my streaming computer.

05:34 I have it on my dev one.

05:35 So I can't look at it real quick, but I'm pretty sure I just set it up to run the Docker.

05:41 image just sharing ports in the right way so i just do a docker run command to say share that

05:47 port to this port when i when i do the map command and so i don't even really have it installed but

05:52 yeah it's just a super small binary that runs okay this sounds really neat i like it yeah it's a tiny

05:58 bit of a pain to set up but it's not it's not too bad all right yeah well i want to shift gears

06:04 completely i guess something that something else that sometimes is a pain um maybe i'm trying to

06:10 do a transition here. Let's talk about pre-commit. So we have, we, I know we've talked about pre-commit,

06:15 but I don't think we've brought it up lately. And one of the, one of the things is I used to use

06:21 it a ton and then I moved a lot of my tooling to the, to CI and don't run it as much anymore.

06:28 However, I'm going back to using it a lot. So pre-commit just as a reminder, it's a tool. Well,

06:34 there's this notion of pre-commit, which is a pre-commit hook for Git, so that whenever you

06:41 commit something, you can assign pre-commit hooks. There's a project called pre-commit,

06:45 which is something that's written in Python, but it allows you to easily set up a whole bunch of

06:56 these pre-commit GitHub hooks. So Python project and the hook thing. Okay, so why am I bringing

07:03 And you can do things like hook up linters and you can run tests and stuff, but I generally don't do that as a pre-commit hook.

07:10 I'll do linters and other stuff like that.

07:13 Yeah, I don't think I would ever set up tests as a pre-commit hook.

07:19 I mean, I guess you'd say disable the hooks to check in the fix for the hook and they're slow and there's just a lot to it.

07:26 But yeah, I agree with the stuff you're running.

07:29 So one of the things is pre-commit doesn't by default have an official way to use uv.

07:37 It doesn't natively support uv.

07:39 And I, like a lot of people, are using uv to install stuff because it's just so fast.

07:45 Instead of pip install, I do a uv pip install.

07:50 So what we're talking about is an article from Adam Johnson talking about pre-commit install with uv.

07:57 as he puts it, the installation guide for pre-commit isn't obvious.

08:03 It's not terrible, but it's not obvious how to get things set up.

08:06 But he's recommending using uv tool install pre-commit with pre-commit uv.

08:12 So this is another project called pre-commit-uv.

08:17 And this is a couple things.

08:19 This is both an extra thing for pre-commit, but yeah, I guess that's it.

08:24 It's a plug-in for pre-commit.

08:26 But what, so what you're getting with this is you're installed with, if you do uv tool install,

08:33 you're installing pre-commit with uv, but then you're also all the extra things. So these extra

08:39 tools, like, like hooks for linters and all this sort of stuff that gets installed with pre-commit

08:45 with pip normally, but this extra pre-commit uv will allow it so that all of your tools are

08:50 installed. If they're Python based tools get installed with uv as well. So essentially just

08:55 speeding up this whole tool chain.

08:57 And if you switch it around with a bunch of projects, it makes sense to be able to update that stuff quickly

09:05 and install it quickly.

09:06 So there we go.

09:07 I love it.

09:08 uv for the win.

09:10 I'm actually talking with Charlie Marsh tomorrow, but talking about PYX, the server-side equivalent of uv.

09:16 So that's cool.

09:17 I'll be looking forward to listening to that one.

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11:43 Also, I love that Python 3.14 is going to come out here pretty soon.

11:50 I guess soon in the relative sense.

11:53 We had a couple months left, I guess.

11:55 It's almost Christmas for Python.

11:56 Python Christmas.

11:57 So I can't remember the timing.

11:59 We've done this a few years in a row on the yearly, but I still don't remember.

12:03 But anyway, I'm already starting to use 3.14, and I'm excited about it.

12:08 But one of the new things that's coming up with Python, with the new one version, is functools placeholder.

12:17 And honestly, I saw something about it, and I was like, huh?

12:21 And so let's go look at it.

12:24 Is this when you just, I don't really want to write a function.

12:27 I'll just put a little functools placeholder on it.

12:30 No.

12:32 I thought of it as a stand-in for the dot, dot, dot, or pass or whatever,

12:36 when you just write a function.

12:37 Then I read it more and I'm like, "Oh no, this is something else." Tell us about it.

12:41 I am a fan of functools partial.

12:45 Again, it's a little obscure.

12:48 A little rabbit hole or rat hole here.

12:52 Partial is a cool way to create a new function by partially binding some parameters of another function.

12:59 Let's say we've got a function that takes six parameters, and you want to have everybody use it,

13:04 but fill in the same thing for the four of the parameters.

13:07 You can fill those in with partial and return a function that only takes two parameters.

13:11 And then your users can, or the users of your API can use a cleaner interface with just a couple.

13:16 Now, it's so cool.

13:18 However, it's got some limitations that sometimes positional parameters,

13:25 it works great for keywords, but for positional parameters, that's hard to decide which one to fill it in.

13:31 So it doesn't work on all functions.

13:33 Enter placeholder.

13:35 So placeholder is the ability to just say, this is where I want it to go.

13:39 And if I've got a partial, like if I want to pass print, like bind the print function,

13:47 I want the first two to be placeholder, and I want the last one to be world so that I can

13:53 pass in hello, dear, and have that come out.

13:55 Okay, that seems a little trivial.

13:57 So I was still trying to get a good example.

14:01 And the good example came from Rodrigo from MathsPP.com.

14:06 And his example, which is perfect, is to remove punctuation with a function.

14:13 And he's got a little example.

14:15 I've got his Blue Sky post to use placeholder and partial to use translate and make trans

14:23 to fill in this partial thing to create a partial function that removes punctuation.

14:29 and then you just have a function that you say, hey, remove the punctuation from Hello World,

14:33 and it takes out the comma and the exclamation point.

14:35 Something like that is great because this whole removing punctuation thing,

14:39 that comes up.

14:40 Or removing, you know, I've got, I'm doing Markdown episodes for my podcast.

14:47 I'm converting to Markdown.

14:48 But the Hugo doesn't like colons in your title, so you got to remove the colons, that sort of thing.

14:54 This is great.

14:55 And then he also has an article to go with it, how to use functools placeholder where he kind of walks through basically what i just talked about

15:02 is um partial is great but it doesn't always work so placeholder comes to the rescue so awesome

15:08 write up about the new uh placeholder functionality so thanks rodrigo interesting yeah thanks for

15:14 helping me understand that a little better i don't use i don't use functools dot partial

15:19 really very much so placeholder which enhances that doesn't give me a lot of uh clarity on it so

15:24 Oh, I use it a lot.

15:25 I mean, not a lot, a lot, but there's a lot of times where a built-in function

15:30 does almost everything I need, except for that I need to pass in a bunch of preset stuff.

15:36 And I want to expose that as an API.

15:38 And you can wrap it, but you can also just do a partial.

15:41 It's cool.

15:41 Yeah.

15:42 All right.

15:43 All right.

15:44 This was going to be a little extra, just a tiny thing I threw at the end.

15:47 Okay.

15:48 And then it grew and it grew and it grew and it became more and more.

15:53 So let me, so here's the headline.

15:57 I converted the other night, 160 old blog posts from WordPress.com to Hugo using AI in a couple of hours.

16:08 Oh, okay, good.

16:09 Okay.

16:10 And this is something that has been absolutely driving me nuts for years.

16:13 I've had all these posts over on blog.michaelckennedy.net, which is the domain I happened to be able to get at the time.

16:19 and they were on WordPress with this custom theme and so on.

16:23 And I was just done with WordPress.

16:26 Every time I went there, it was just like an antidote against writing.

16:30 Like I just don't want to write here.

16:32 Like why am I doing it?

16:33 I would much rather write markdown and just have simple and clean code like my current website.

16:38 We've talked a lot about using Hugo.

16:39 Like you use Hugo, I use Hugo.

16:41 My mkennedy.code site is Hugo, right?

16:44 But how do I get stuff from WordPress.com over to Hugo?

16:48 Well, guess what? There's an export feature in WordPress.

16:52 If you have the paid WordPress account, which is what you need to have your own domain and not your, just your username.wordpress.com.

17:00 There's different tiers. Well, it's, you have to pay the $200 version to get the export feature turned on.

17:07 What?

17:08 Yes. That's like multiple levels up. I'm like, oh, these guys are holding my stuff hostage. Screw them.

17:14 I'm just going to just put my last blog post over there was we've moved to this place.

17:19 Please join me there.

17:20 You know what I mean?

17:21 Yeah.

17:21 I'm like, but then I got a renewal for 50 bucks or 48 bucks.

17:24 I really don't want to just keep paying for the rest of my life.

17:27 $48 to this thing, you know?

17:31 So I'm like, but it's just too much work to move it over.

17:34 Without an export, I could have paid that as well.

17:36 But then I'd still have to migrate it from HTML and WordPress export format to Markdown.

17:42 So I'm like, I don't really.

17:43 But then I'm like, you know what, let me just fire up cursor and just say cursor over there.

17:47 I want this stuff.

17:48 I want it over here into Hugo.

17:49 And I showed it my, I like opened the Hugo page in cursor or the Hugo site in cursor.

17:54 And I said, here's the URL, go get it.

17:56 And it said, I'm on it.

17:57 And within like five minutes, it had all the posts move over.

18:00 I'm like, this is amazing.

18:02 But it only, it based it off the RSS feed, which is totally reasonable.

18:06 But the WordPress site limits the amount of content in the RSS feed to 50.

18:11 Not all my posts.

18:13 I'm like, oh, where are they?

18:14 Rats.

18:16 I got some of them, but not all of them.

18:18 And so then I just said, hey, go back after it and give me, just start scraping the thing,

18:25 right?

18:25 And so it just started web scraping the other pieces.

18:28 I told it to download all the images, all those kinds of things.

18:31 And it did it.

18:32 It took a couple of iterations.

18:33 Like it downloaded the comments.

18:35 I'm like, no, I don't want the comments.

18:36 I'm sorry.

18:36 I should have told you no comments.

18:38 But eventually it took it out.

18:39 And so now if you go to posts, I've got like 200 posts over here going back to 2006.

18:46 But like here, let me see if I can find one like this.

18:50 Let's just do something that'll call this.

18:52 This is definitely going to come up.

18:53 Let's search.

18:54 Let's search this.

18:55 Okay.

18:56 And I also put the domain.

18:58 I put the URL path.

19:00 So normally for all my real posts, I wrote on Hugo, they're like slash post slash whatever.

19:05 but I put all the archived ones in slash post slash r slash whatever so that I can just look

19:11 at oh that's an archive post if for whatever reason okay but if we go over here and search

19:16 you can see somewhere in here I'm sure that oh maybe it's if I search for that and can you oh

19:22 gosh that's really bad um I'm about to search for something else but if I find one of these you'll

19:28 see that oh this one's definitely gonna come up surely this is there's no way that I can't remember

19:33 why I wrote this article. Doesn't really matter. There we go. So notice it's a blog,

19:38 michaelckinnity.net, 2011-01-19. You know, the date, this is like WordPress style,

19:44 and then the name. But if I hit it, boom, instantly mapped over. So I even gave people

19:50 in the show notes the NGINX configuration to rewrite all of those things. So now I'm just

19:57 hosting my old domain, and I just have a really complicated regular expression route match

20:03 that then pulls off that little last piece and then sticks it on slash post

20:07 slash R slash slug.

20:08 Okay.

20:09 Well, a different little tip.

20:11 I went with a little different technique, but okay.

20:13 Yeah.

20:14 Okay.

20:14 I'm interested to hear what you did, but I got these all over there.

20:18 They're all integrated into the search engine.

20:21 So like you hit new get or whatever, boom, get all these old things that I really don't care super tons about,

20:27 but you know, I wrote it.

20:28 I don't want it to go, go away.

20:29 Right.

20:30 So a couple other noteworthy things, It's like, I did not put this in.

20:35 Let me pull this up for us.

20:36 There's an article on Ars Technica that just came out.

20:39 This is one of the things that got me going just like a couple days ago.

20:42 It says, blogging service TypePad is shutting down, taking all content from all users, from all time away with it.

20:49 What? Wow.

20:51 It's like, ah.

20:52 There were a bunch of artists that I followed that used TypePad for a long time.

20:56 Yeah.

20:56 Yeah.

20:57 And that's, this is not good, is it?

21:00 If that was you.

21:01 And so this points out, like, if you don't have your own domain, if I was, I don't really remember what my username was,

21:08 mkennedy.wordpress.com.

21:10 I don't think that's what it was, but whatever it is, if that was what your domain was, your content is gone

21:15 and you have no choice whatsoever if the server shuts down forever.

21:19 Because you can't remap that domain.

21:21 You don't own wordpress.com or typepad.com.

21:24 And I'm just, you know, looking around.

21:26 There's some other places that might want to, oh, hold on, that didn't copy.

21:31 There are some other places that might want to take that to heart.

21:34 For example, the PSF.

21:36 Blogspot, I know.

21:38 It's pyfound.blogspot.com.

21:40 I know we have some people who are full-time employees making an amazing impact at the PSF.

21:47 We have Luca Schlinger, developer-in-residence, South Michael Larson, Mike Fiedler.

21:52 There's an opportunity for somebody to go, let's get our own custom domain here and just leave it on Blogspot.

21:58 But if for some reason Blogspot shuts down just like TypePad did, it's going to be quite the bad time.

22:06 So anyway, yeah.

22:08 What else do I have to add to this?

22:10 Nothing.

22:11 I don't have anything to add.

22:12 I just think if you feel like your stuff has been out there trapped and been hostage, you can not only get it out,

22:19 but you can really carefully decide.

22:20 I want it to appear in my new setup exactly like this.

22:24 I want it under slash R for archived.

22:27 And also, if you go to my RSS feed, the older posts don't show up in RSS,

22:31 but the newer ones do.

22:32 Because I don't want people to just go, whoa, where did 160 new posts come from

22:35 and why are they 10 years old?

22:37 You know what I mean?

22:39 So I think there's a lot of flexibility here.

22:41 And it used to be like it was not worth it, but if you just fire up an agentic AI

22:46 and let it go on it, like it might be worth it.

22:48 Because it's not there.

22:49 I think I wrote down in the notes, it took me three to four hours to do this.

22:52 And to me, that felt like, okay, I've, I've, my coat, my content has been held hostage by WordPress.com.

22:58 And I finally, you know, I sent in like seal team six and we got it out without actually paying the

23:03 ransom sort of, it's kind of how I feel about it. Anyway, what did you do for yours? Cause you moved yours around as well, right?

23:11 Yeah. So I, let me, I'll pop over and show you, well, are we into extras now? I guess we'll just,

23:19 we are into extras. I'm done with this topic anyway. How's that?

23:22 Okay, well, I'll show you at least this little bit.

23:28 So over at pythontest.com, so not that one, I have a, under the extras, I got test and code archive.

23:36 So I took, I did an archive of all of test and code, 200 and, well, I'm missing episode one,

23:42 so it's 237 episodes off by one error.

23:45 I kind of like that anyway.

23:48 So in each of these is, of course, it's a markdown file.

23:52 And how to get all this.

23:56 So this is like the same similar URL.

24:02 The old testing code is still up.

24:04 And if I go to that episode, that episode's so long and thanks for all the fish.

24:10 That's there.

24:11 And then over at the archive, it's sort of the same URL for that episodes.

24:20 But if I want to redirect it, like if somebody just types in 237 or 238, that's supposed to work also.

24:27 So I've got it set up to do that.

24:30 I think 238 works.

24:34 And also, even if they just go to the top level of that, I think that works.

24:40 And that's done with aliases.

24:42 So I didn't do it.

24:42 I did it with Markdown or Hugo aliases.

24:45 I didn't do it with something else.

24:49 And then eventually, probably next week, I'm going to redirect the top-level testing code to the archive page.

24:59 Yeah, what are the archive pages?

25:01 This top-level pythontest.com slash testing code.

25:04 Yeah, perfect.

25:06 And then anything after that will just redirect to wherever.

25:09 So that's how I'm doing that.

25:11 Yeah, that's really cool.

25:12 I didn't do the people thing yet, and I don't know if I will.

25:16 So I had like all of the different people had their own little page, but there's not much there other than social links and stuff.

25:25 So I might just do that.

25:27 Yeah, that's not it worked.

25:29 But I also had, I almost had it working, but I had a hard time finding all of these original links because the feed XML that I downloaded was incorrect.

25:41 and i i i popped open uh what uh copilot with using claude sonnet for something like that

25:49 and and said hey um um i'm trying to import this can i get you write a python script to

25:56 to grab all the links and and it it said oh i'm trying to but the feed the xml is corrupted

26:04 um and and then um uh but it like worked around it and did it anyway with like just like parsing

26:12 the file um which was kind of ugly but i'm like hey i just need to get this done like five minutes so

26:18 yeah yeah you don't ever need to keep that code once it's done it's done yeah a lot of people

26:22 will say things like oh i can't believe you would use ai for this you know those things make up stuff

26:27 and whatever and it's like it when it wrote the program it's either going to migrate it over

26:31 successfully or not you can look at the article and see is the content there and is it all out

26:36 of whack or does it look fine and if it's fine who cares there's no tech debt there's none none of

26:41 that because i'm never going to run that again i literally map the remap the dns and it's gone

26:46 i deleted my paid account and it's gone yeah and it and i needed to update like 237 markdown files

26:53 and i just i'm probably gonna if i have to make modifications to them later i'll do it one off

26:59 Like I'll just do a search and replace for everything.

27:02 And which that's what I did also.

27:03 So I had these like link to the episode archive and also the feed URL.

27:07 I'm like, oh, I should have added those in.

27:09 Well, I just did a search and replace on all the files and did that.

27:11 I didn't add, ask Claude to do that for me.

27:15 But so there's all sorts of fun stuff.

27:18 And thanks to DigitalOcean, the new episodes are hosted.

27:23 Sorry about that.

27:24 The new episodes are hosted on DigitalOcean Spaces.

27:28 Oh, is that where you put them?

27:29 Yeah, I have a ton of stuff hosted on DigitalOcean Spaces.

27:32 And anytime you see something like blobs.pythonbytes.fm, that's DigitalOcean Spaces as well.

27:37 So that went down from like, what, 20 bucks a month, which isn't terrible that I was paying before,

27:44 down to a whopping $5 a month with DigitalOcean Spaces.

27:48 So that's great.

27:49 And you have the freedom.

27:50 Now it's in Hugo.

27:51 You can do whatever you want.

27:52 Exactly.

27:53 All right.

27:54 So that was one of my extras was, hey, the testing code is finally archived over.

27:59 Yeah, I'm glad you decided to keep that around.

28:01 That's a ton of work, and having that around for historical reasons is good.

28:04 And I probably am going to do, to get off Transistor altogether, Python people.

28:11 I got to do pythonpeople.fm, but I don't remember how many.

28:14 Oops, Python people.

28:17 It's like, what, 15, 14 episodes.

28:20 I could do that by hand if I had to.

28:22 So that's not going to be bad.

28:23 Okay, the other extra that I wanted to talk about was just a really fun thing that Seth Larson brought up.

28:29 So Seth Larson put a post up for SMS URLs, and he said, did you know that you can like the mail to URL?

28:38 You can do SMS.

28:40 And I'm not going to click on this because it won't do anything on my laptop,

28:45 I don't think.

28:46 Also the Hollywood.

28:47 No, yeah.

28:49 But if you do it on your phone, it'll open up an SMS.

28:53 like it'll open up your SMS app, your text messaging app, and fill it in with Hello World,

28:59 which is cool. So this whole fill-in thing, why is this neat? Well, so it's fun anyway. It's just

29:06 fun for one, but also wouldn't it be cool if you could just type in, one of the things you can do

29:12 with URLs is you can create QR codes. So Seth also wrote this draft an SMS message from any keyboard,

29:21 computer keyboard because you can just go to a computer and type stuff in here and it generates

29:26 a uh qr code and the fun thing is as you're typing the qr changes because that is wild i love it yeah

29:34 watch this so if you take like a bunch of lorem ipsum um and drop it in there you get like this

29:40 oh my gosh you need a high-res print out of that yeah but then so what you do is you just point your so you you don't even have to have sms you

29:54 could anywhere you can be at a work computer and even just type this in it doesn't save it

29:58 anywhere and then you just um uh snap the qr code with your phone and it opens up your um your text

30:06 messages so um it's pretty fun yeah yeah i just thought that was neat also uh i still use laura

30:13 ipsum all the time so shout out to lauramipsum.com anyway yeah um i prefer the um the hipster ipsum

30:21 hipster ipsum have you seen it oh i don't know hipster ipsum me um yeah hit it give that give

30:27 that a little bit of a read oh yeah i'm baby post ironic green juice cornhole norm core actually

30:35 heirloom beard quinoa cronut put a bird on it mutt but put a bird on it man fun oh this is good

30:43 Yeah.

30:44 Off to do this.

30:46 I don't know.

30:46 I just get tired of looking at Laura Mipsum all the time.

30:48 I'm like, ah, let's just throw some cupping kinfolk.

30:54 Butcher next level plus one waistcoat.

30:56 Venmo, same Franzen microdosing.

30:59 Cred.

31:00 Microdosing.

31:01 Farm to table.

31:01 Farm to table microdosing.

31:04 Vaporware.

31:05 Yeah, this is good.

31:06 It's pretty good, yeah.

31:07 But same basic ideas, Laura Mipsum.

31:09 8-bit literally.

31:10 Yeah, nice.

31:11 All right.

31:12 You got any more extras or is that it?

31:13 No, that's my extras, but we've got one big extra, right?

31:17 Oh, yeah.

31:17 We do.

31:18 This is the big one.

31:19 So the Python, the documentary, an origin story is out.

31:25 And it's a one hour, 24 minute, highly produced, very entertaining documentary with many friends

31:33 of the show.

31:34 People have been on your other shows, Brian, like your Python people.

31:37 A lot of them are here, right?

31:39 Yeah.

31:40 you know same for talk python as well and i am really looking forward to watching this it came

31:45 out a couple days ago and i'm like oh i could watch it but i actually think what would be really fun

31:49 i would love to just hear your first impression of this i think it would be fun to do a group

31:55 watch through and set up some kind of chat like a discord chat or something for whoever wants to

32:01 watch it all together and hasn't seen it yet i think that'd be kind of cool and just have like

32:04 a chat going in parallel to watching it something like that so kind of like people do with keynotes

32:10 now and then and so on so i don't know i'm contemplating the logistics of that if i can

32:15 come up with a good idea on the next day or two then i'll do that otherwise i'll just watch it

32:18 well i mean there was when it first came out they did like a chat thing yeah it came out as a premiere

32:24 i believe and you can see the chat replay but like how many people who would want to watch this

32:29 actually watched it during its premiere you know probably not that many yeah so i just got rid of

32:34 my inflatable screen too we could have done it in like a cul-de-sac or something oh you had one

32:38 of those big oh that's awesome yeah during the pandemic we had like this what 20 foot 23 foot

32:44 screen or something like that um so yeah that's actually a really good idea we didn't have that

32:49 well you suck i guess i don't know actually um we have a covered outdoor area in the back now and

32:55 i ended up long story ended up with an extra 50 inch flat screen tv and bought it for my dad and

33:02 it turns out he didn't need it anymore so i got it back i'm like what am i gonna do this i'm like

33:05 We're sticking this outside.

33:06 So we've got a little area, but it's not a 20-foot screen.

33:10 That's the next level business right there.

33:12 I don't remember how big it was.

33:13 It was probably that.

33:14 It was a big inflatable thing.

33:16 It's bigger than a regular TV.

33:18 That's awesome.

33:19 Anyway, I recommend people watch this.

33:21 We talked about the trailer when it came out, and it was really good, wasn't it?

33:24 Yeah.

33:25 So I was hoping to get this watched before we recorded.

33:28 Did you happen to watch any of this?

33:30 No, I'm waiting.

33:31 I'm just like, I'm delaying it because I want to try to figure out something fun for...

33:35 That'd be fun.

33:36 Cool.

33:37 Now I don't feel bad about not watching it yet.

33:38 I watched like a few minutes and I was like, oh, it's an hour and a half.

33:41 I'm going to have to set aside some time to do this.

33:43 Yeah.

33:43 Yeah.

33:44 And looking up, I think I've got like, you probably have all of these interviewed on your,

33:49 on Talk Python.

33:50 I think I've got half of the people shown on like the opening screen.

33:53 Yeah.

33:54 There's maybe eight or nine people.

33:56 I think almost everyone.

33:58 I think there's one person I don't necessarily recognize through the little thin slice.

34:02 But yeah, I would say other than that, yeah, everyone's been on the show.

34:04 It's cool.

34:05 Cool.

34:06 Well, cool.

34:07 Can't wait to watch it.

34:08 All right.

34:09 Are you ready to laugh?

34:10 Yeah.

34:10 Let the hilarity ensue.

34:12 We'll see.

34:12 I can't remember what I came up with.

34:13 Oh, yeah.

34:14 So this one is like a Jedi.

34:17 Think.

34:18 I want to just put you in the mindset before we get to it.

34:21 Okay, Brian?

34:22 Okay.

34:22 You're on Tatooine.

34:23 You've been told of this Obi-Wan Kenobi who you must find.

34:27 You know the old wizard man out past the cantina.

34:31 So it says, the joke is, it has Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

34:36 And it says, when you read some incredibly bad code thinking, what moron wrote this?

34:40 But halfway through, it starts to become familiar.

34:43 Well, of course I know him.

34:45 He is me.

34:46 Yeah.

34:47 Do you know this Obi-Wan?

34:49 Yes, of course I know him.

34:51 Do you know the bad wizard who wrote the bad code?

34:53 Of course I know him.

34:54 He is me.

34:55 Yeah.

34:55 Actually, yeah, it's usually that.

34:57 I really love it when it's not me, but it's usually me.

35:01 You pull up get blamed because you're like, I'm going to, oh no.

35:06 Oh no.

35:07 Yeah.

35:07 I really like that.

35:08 Yeah.

35:09 It's, it's addictive, but I like have, I have blame on every line turned on VS Code so

35:14 that whatever, whatever I'm working on, I'm like, who did this?

35:18 Oh yeah.

35:19 Yeah.

35:20 Yeah.

35:20 It's kind of nice.

35:21 It's kind of nice.

35:21 But I'm, it's also just the last person that touched that line as well.

35:25 So sometimes it's me, even though, even if I didn't write the logic.

35:29 Right.

35:29 It could be something so simple as you ran Ruff format and then committed the change.

35:33 Yeah, exactly.

35:34 Yeah.

35:34 Yeah.

35:35 All right.

35:35 Anyway, of course I know him.

35:36 He is me.

35:38 Of course I know.

35:39 All right.

35:40 Cool.

35:40 Well, wonderful episode again.

35:42 Thanks everybody for showing up and listening.

35:44 We'll talk to you next week.

35:45 Bye-bye.