Transcript #415: Just put the fries in the bag bro

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00:04 This is episode 415, recorded December 23rd, 2024.

00:09 And I am Brian Okken.

00:11 And I'm Michael Kennedy.

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01:17 Well, it's Christmas Eve Eve.

01:21 Which makes it, which makes the schedule a little wacky.

01:24 Yeah.

01:25 And while we're on that, Brian, this is our last episode of the year.

01:28 Next episode, we'll just put a little seasons greeting or something.

01:32 And so people have to appreciate this one for all of 2024, right?

01:36 Because this is it.

01:37 Yeah.

01:37 Yeah.

01:38 And I really had fun this year.

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01:42 Stick it around.

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02:10 So probably still dripping wet.

02:13 Maybe a little moss on it.

02:15 Yeah, exactly.

02:16 Well, why don't you take it off with the first topic, Michael?

02:20 All right, let's do it.

02:21 So I would like to talk about durable software.

02:25 Honestly, this is something I don't hear a ton of in the Python space.

02:29 So I thought I'd shine a little light.

02:31 Both projects that I'm highlighting today for the main topics on my end are sub 500 GitHub

02:38 stars.

02:38 So they're used by people, but they're not major projects.

02:41 But I think they could be really useful.

02:44 And so I'm kind of shining a light on on some up and coming ones, let's say.

02:49 So the first one is DbOS transact pi.

02:53 And the H2 is ultralight durable execution in Python.

02:57 So what the heck does that mean?

02:58 What is durable?

02:59 Like does it have try except somewhere?

03:01 No, more than that.

03:02 Way, way more than just error handling.

03:04 So what you do, imagine, Brian, that you've got some long running process.

03:09 Like one step of this process is I want to wait until a file shows up in this directory.

03:16 And then when it does, we're going to process it, save it over here.

03:19 Some other system, maybe you don't have direct conversation, like direct connections with, does

03:24 some things, processes it, gives you a response.

03:26 Then you take on the next step.

03:27 Like it's like a long running, it's not just going to happen all at once, right?

03:31 And also it has to keep going.

03:34 You know, if it's long running and you've got to restart your server or you want to deploy

03:38 a new version of the app, or there's even a bunch of stuff.

03:40 If you're doing API style things where the worker processes periodically get restarted for

03:48 memory in case they get hung up just to keep them sort of fresh, right?

03:51 So there's all sorts of reasons your long running thing might get shut down in the middle.

03:55 So that's what this thing handles.

03:57 So you write a Python function, you give it a workflow decorator, and then it calls a bunch

04:01 of sub functions to do its steps and they're decorated with at step.

04:05 And then what happens is when this runs each step before, and then basically what workflow

04:12 is happening, what step is running, what data was passed into it is serialized into a Postgres,

04:18 right?

04:19 And so if it crashes, it just goes, oh, well, what workflows do I have going?

04:22 Oh, I see these.

04:24 And this one is at step five.

04:25 And here's the status.

04:25 So just run step five again.

04:27 Wow.

04:27 And off it goes.

04:28 Okay.

04:28 Isn't that cool?

04:29 That's really cool.

04:30 It's not something I totally need all the time.

04:33 You know, it's not something I feel like is a real common thing.

04:36 But if you were doing like a lot of email, I'm sitting on an email process, right?

04:40 I'm managing myself, which no, I'm not.

04:43 But well, I guess with less mucking sort of indirectly with the self-husted thing.

04:48 Anyway, you know, you're contacting a bunch of things or you're calling a bunch of APIs

04:52 or you're uploading a bunch of files over an API, like over S3 or something.

04:56 And the thing goes down.

04:57 You know, you could do this to just go, all right, well, where was I?

05:00 Pick it up and keep going.

05:01 So let's see.

05:02 It says, all you need to do is use a Postgres database to connect to it.

05:05 There's no need for a workflow server, which is cool.

05:08 And apparently there's this thing called AWS Step Functions, because of course there are at AWS.

05:14 If there's any sort of possible type of programming or execution, there's a AWS service for it.

05:21 Anyway, it says it's 25 times faster than that, which I guess is good.

05:24 More cool features.

05:25 Schedule jobs.

05:26 Run your workflows exactly once per time interval.

05:29 So on job sort of deal.

05:31 Exactly once event processing.

05:32 Use a workflow to process incoming events.

05:35 For example, a Kafka topic exactly once.

05:38 That's pretty cool.

05:39 In observability, all workflows are automatically emit open telemetry traces.

05:44 So you can, anything that integrates with open telemetry, which is a bunch of the different systems out there,

05:48 like air monitoring and sentry type things, plug that in.

05:51 That's pretty cool.

05:52 So it clearly works on the cloud.

05:55 Does it, could it work as a local thing as well?

05:58 Yeah, it just needs a Postgres database.

06:00 So if you, if you could run a Postgres database or if you can run Docker,

06:03 then you could just run the Postgres image locally.

06:06 And you know, it's the same, just same port, same connection string.

06:09 Cool.

06:10 Yeah.

06:10 There you go.

06:11 Over to you.

06:12 I was just thinking about like recently you mentioned going through and doing,

06:17 redoing a lot of the, the transcripts.

06:20 Could it possibly do something like this to, if it ever dies to restart it.

06:24 Yeah, exactly.

06:25 If you're doing or video file processing.

06:27 Yeah.

06:28 If you want, that's a super common.

06:29 You know, I want to run conversions for these files, but it's going to take two days.

06:35 Yeah.

06:35 The audience says, that sounds interesting.

06:38 I've been trying to adopt Airflow for a particular set of scheduled jobs I have,

06:41 but it's super complicated to set up.

06:43 Yeah.

06:43 Very cool.

06:45 I want to talk about a survey a little bit that I didn't know about, and I'm still a little confused.

06:50 But there's a, there's an article on engineering at meta called typed Python in 2024.

06:57 Well-adopted yet usability challenges persist.

07:01 But, and I'll get into the topic a little bit, but I was a little confused by the survey.

07:07 It says this summer, JetBrains meta and Microsoft collaborated, collaborated to conduct a comprehensive survey on the state of Python typing.

07:15 And perhaps I just missed that, or it wasn't the results were announced,

07:19 or maybe this is the announcement.

07:20 Because this is not the JetBrains developer survey.

07:22 This is something else.

07:23 This is a survey that happened through July, through October, beginning of October, I guess.

07:31 Anyway, so back to the topic at hand.

07:34 So the, the idea is 10 years after the introduction of PEP 484 with, I didn't, can't believe it's been 10 years.

07:42 We surveyed the current state of Python type systems and the tool developed tools developers are using.

07:48 And like I said, it's a, it was a JetBrains meta Microsoft thing.

07:52 So the findings, 88% of respondents always or often use types in their Python code.

08:00 The IDE tooling documentation and catching bugs are drivers for the high adoption of types in survey responses.

08:08 So, and we'll get to the, there's a, there's a couple other things in here too,

08:12 but I wanted to highlight this because like catching bugs, that's, that's what I thought people would use this for.

08:19 Using PyPy or mypy and, and other, you know, other tools to, to check for type errors.

08:27 But I think that the big, the big wins are in documentation and IDE tooling.

08:33 I, I started using it for documentation primarily to document how somebody should use a method to,

08:42 and I think it's super helpful to say, yeah, it's going to be a list of strings that you're going to pass in here.

08:47 It just helps to understand how, especially for non-obvious things.

08:52 Is it going to be a tuple?

08:53 Is it a list?

08:54 I guess it doesn't matter.

08:55 It's an iterable.

08:56 But that's really helpful.

08:58 Then the IDE tooling came out, came along and started making it a lot easier just to, to have type hints and everything work right.

09:06 When using you, now I don't have to hop over to another screen or another, like find the definition of a function to find out what's in there.

09:14 I can get type hints to help me and the, the pop-up dialogues, the, whatever, what the code, what are those things called?

09:22 Anyway.

09:23 The ones where it's in a separate file?

09:25 No.

09:26 Yeah.

09:26 Well, like if you, if you start typing a function and you hit print, print, print, and it's in the ID tells you.

09:31 Oh, autocomplete.

09:32 Yeah.

09:33 Autocomplete stuff.

09:34 It's really helpful to be able to know, oh yeah, it's going to go in here.

09:38 I wish that there was a way to shorten it because some stuff that has so many.

09:42 So I'm using all the time.

09:44 And there's, there's so many arguments that it's like this big giant blob thing and it's not helpful.

09:49 But anyway.

09:50 Got to decrease your font size there, you know?

09:52 Maybe.

09:53 Or just like, yeah, just the, the standard.

09:56 Library stuff that I'm using all the time.

09:58 Don't keep popping that up.

09:59 I don't need type hints for print.

10:01 Just saying.

10:02 So, or I need type hints.

10:05 I just don't need that pop-up.

10:07 Anyway.

10:07 So interesting survey.

10:09 The, the, one of the interesting things here was that people were using it even for personal stuff, just personal projects.

10:18 66% of respondents said they use, still use type hints always or often.

10:25 And 78% of professionals.

10:27 That makes sense.

10:28 It was, it'd be more when, with your work code than personal code.

10:31 But I'm finding that myself.

10:33 I'm, I'm using it even for personal stuff.

10:35 I'm using type, type hints.

10:36 So a little bit of interesting things on which IDs are people using.

10:41 It's a little different from, from the developer survey.

10:43 But maybe they had a different set of list, list set that people could choose from.

10:48 So mostly VS Code, PyCharm up there, plus Emacs and NeoVim.

10:53 Emacs or NeoVim and other.

10:55 But like the developer survey had, had mostly what, oh, IDE was VS Code, PyCharm, Vim, Jupyter, Notebooks.

11:04 Anyway.

11:05 So had probably just more selection or something.

11:08 I think there was more, there were many options in the PSF one.

11:11 Yeah.

11:12 The PyCharm was the same, but VS Code was smaller.

11:16 Interesting.

11:17 Yeah.

11:17 It's a different audience as well.

11:18 Who knows?

11:18 Yeah.

11:19 Anyway.

11:19 So I, what are the real takeaways here though, for, for me as a trainer and other people that

11:28 try to teach people is I think we need to do a better job at teaching.

11:31 Some of the reasons why people are not using types and are what we've got not required for

11:39 my project, lack of familiarity.

11:41 They're too complex and it's hard to, hard to use or set up and push back from coworkers

11:48 or co-maintainers is the, is like 50, 50 people.

11:53 Anyway.

11:55 Oh wow.

11:55 It's not percent because the top is 150.

11:58 So I'm not sure what's going on here.

11:59 So that's otherwise known as 33%.

12:03 34.

12:05 I don't know.

12:05 But the, what I found is that, that I, there were, I always run into something that's complex

12:14 like a, you know, a, a, a pytest fixture.

12:18 I don't know.

12:18 I still don't know how to type those correctly.

12:21 But you can type, you can do type hints for most things.

12:24 And if you run into complex stuff, just don't worry about it.

12:27 Move on.

12:27 That's my recommendation.

12:30 There's, you can jump, go down that rabbit hole and try to try to do things.

12:34 But I think that that's something that people would train when training.

12:38 teach people how to use type hints in simple things like this.

12:41 Hey, if it's an int, do this.

12:43 But I think it's important to maybe say, Hey, sometimes it's complex.

12:48 Just like there's, there's ways to do that, but you also don't need to worry about it.

12:53 People can look up the docs for that.

12:55 I do appreciate the, the addition of not having to import like capital list and capital, you

13:03 know, whatever the other ones.

13:05 Yeah.

13:05 Like dict and set and all them.

13:08 Yeah.

13:08 Yeah.

13:08 And you can just do lowercase list and dict and stuff like that now, which is better.

13:13 That's 310 and above.

13:14 Yeah.

13:14 So anyway, some interesting information here on the, on typing.

13:18 Nice.

13:19 Awesome.

13:20 Well, you know what?

13:21 I think we just, more typing.

13:22 Let's just, it's all typing all to close out 2024.

13:28 So I would like to talk about RightTyper.

13:31 Okay.

13:32 R-I-G-H-T typer.

13:33 A fast and efficient type assistant for Python, including tensor shape interfaces and data science

13:40 thingies.

13:40 So what the heck is this?

13:41 So you're saying, Brian, that a lot of developers will write types when they write their functions.

13:47 But if you adopt a code base and it doesn't have typing or you have some colleague who

13:54 utterly resists it, resists adding types, like I will not do this.

13:58 But as a group, you've decided, yeah, we're doing it.

14:00 And somehow that person still works there.

14:01 You could use this thing, right?

14:04 So this would be good for old projects, just untyped projects, whatever.

14:08 You know, a lot of examples of projects that didn't have typing were things that traditionally

14:13 supported two and three, Python two and three.

14:16 Oh yeah.

14:16 Right.

14:16 And like, like, well, we can't have types because we want to support Python two.

14:20 And now they're like, you know what?

14:21 Take, take a hike Python two.

14:23 Maybe it's time to add types to them.

14:25 Right.

14:25 So that's what this thing could do.

14:26 So what you do is you run your Python program.

14:30 You say like Python three dash M RightTyper.

14:32 And then you can even use, do it via testing.

14:35 I've never seen a nested dash M.

14:37 I love it.

14:37 Okay.

14:37 So Python dash M RightTyper dash M py test dash continue on collect.

14:43 All right.

14:43 You could do that.

14:44 And what it will do in this case is it'll run all of your tests and it'll look at the

14:48 data exchanged for each function.

14:50 And then it will create the signatures of those functions with typing automatically.

14:56 Oh, wow.

14:57 Yeah.

14:57 So it efficiently computes type annotation coverage for files and directories in it in

15:02 first shapes of annotations for data science thingies.

15:04 Like I said, numpy jacks, py torch, et cetera, compatible with jacks typing, beartype and typeguard.

15:11 We've covered beartype and typeguard.

15:12 Both.

15:13 Awesome.

15:13 Jacks typing.

15:14 Don't know jacks.

15:15 Apparently there are some other tools like monkey type and py annotate.

15:20 But if you look at the timing performance, it's pretty good.

15:23 So it's like significantly faster than some of these tools.

15:27 Right.

15:27 So near zero overhead.

15:29 So you can kind of run it on a complicated app and so on.

15:31 Okay.

15:32 This looks great.

15:33 Yeah.

15:33 And you can run a particular script.

15:35 And then what it'll do is it'll output, I believe, a separate file.

15:41 And it says, look, you just had def barnacle.

15:43 It took an X.

15:44 But no, that X is a colon numpy.ndarray.

15:48 And this function returns an ndarray.

15:50 Right?

15:50 Yeah.

15:51 That's cool.

15:52 Or if you want to have it annotate bear type, remember bear type will verify that it's

15:57 actually right at runtime.

15:58 You can have it do that sort of deal.

16:00 Or even if you have a partially annotated, but not entirely annotated thing, it will annotate

16:05 that as well.

16:05 Yeah.

16:06 So you can specify the output top files, whether or not overwrite your files.

16:10 Obviously, the assumption would be that that is in source control.

16:14 You've committed it.

16:15 You run this and override it.

16:16 Then you look at the diff and you decide.

16:18 I think that would be the best way to use it.

16:19 Right?

16:20 That way you can view the diff and go, looks good.

16:23 Accept that change.

16:24 Looks good.

16:24 Accept that change.

16:25 I don't know about that one.

16:26 Skip that change.

16:26 You know, that kind of deal.

16:28 Yeah.

16:29 Anyway, I think this is pretty awesome and it could be real helpful for people.

16:33 It's kind of one of those tools you don't use often.

16:35 It's like Fluent or one of these other upgrade things.

16:39 It's like, well, I ran it once.

16:40 I got the old code to the new code.

16:42 Now I just work new code style.

16:43 But at the same time, that's real serious drudgery that you could avoid.

16:47 Yeah.

16:47 Now I got to try it on my code base is partly, like I said, I sometimes trip up on fixtures

16:54 and maybe it'll tell me how to type it.

16:56 I bet it'll tell you.

16:57 Yeah.

16:57 I don't know what to put for fixtures either, but it'll probably discover it.

17:00 Yeah.

17:01 Yeah.

17:01 Christian now in the audience points out faster than monkey types, Smiley.

17:04 Love it.

17:06 Oh, this is neat.

17:07 I'm looking forward to playing with that.

17:10 Cool.

17:10 Indeed.

17:11 All right.

17:11 It's getting to the end of the year.

17:13 I'm feeling a little lazy.

17:14 Are you?

17:15 No.

17:15 Tell us more.

17:16 No, I'm not.

17:17 But maybe Trey Hunter is.

17:20 So Trey Hunter wrote a blog post called Lazy Self-Installing Python Scripts with UV.

17:26 And I think that time is right for us to go back to using our own personal scripts more

17:31 because it's now so much easier with UV and Python.

17:35 So I used, I mean, I thought about this.

17:38 I used to have my own bin, the home directory bin directory full of a whole bunch of little

17:42 scripts.

17:42 I got a bin.

17:43 I got a tilde bin.

17:44 Come on now.

17:45 Yeah.

17:45 Tilde bin.

17:46 So I've got, I actually, to be honest, I haven't done this much lately because it's not

17:53 trivial with Python.

17:54 And I don't really write a lot of bash anymore or anything.

17:58 I mean, a little bit, but nothing I want to keep around.

18:02 Anyway, but that's a, there's a lot of everyday Python, everyday tasks that maybe, maybe would

18:08 help to, to code up with Python and it's easier now.

18:12 So Trey walks through, starts out with talking about how you can, how you do this with just

18:18 creating a file in a bin directory.

18:22 It has to be in your path.

18:23 So that's, I don't remember if he talks about that or not, but you have to possibly modify

18:28 your .zhrc or your bash RC or something.

18:31 To get, to get your home directory bin in your path.

18:35 But after it's there, you can stick a file in there and change the permissions on it, the

18:41 execute bit.

18:42 And, oh yeah.

18:43 And then make sure that it's a, it's a directory in your path variable.

18:47 And then, and then you can just run it whenever you want from any directory.

18:52 The, the, the, the slight differences of the, what pound bang.

18:57 what do you, I don't know what you call this thing.

18:59 Shebang.

19:00 Shebang.

19:00 The shebang at the top.

19:02 He has an example of just, using, user bin, ENV Python three.

19:07 And that's, that works fine for, for things that without dependencies.

19:11 So just a little Python script, which is actually still pretty useful.

19:15 the, the, it's interesting.

19:18 The example though, he says, his script, like my script.py, but then he has an example

19:24 of a bin zero that, just prints out 80 zeros, which is kind of cool.

19:28 but that, that really wouldn't be zero dot pi.

19:32 That would just be zero.

19:33 So you just take off the dot pi so you can just type it.

19:36 so the problem that he wants to talk about in this is, with dependencies.

19:40 And he has an example that uses, that he uses, he normalizes audio, of a given

19:46 video file with the FFm peg, and, and great tool, but yeah, it's something you have

19:53 to install.

19:53 So, or it depends, the script depends on FFm peg, normalize, and the FFm peg

20:01 utility.

20:02 So how do you deal with this?

20:03 He said he used to be using pip X, but now UV makes it super easy.

20:08 You don't have to, you don't, it doesn't even have to be installed to write the script.

20:12 You use the, the, the shebang again, but instead of, of Python, you call dash S or

20:20 dash capital S UV run and --script.

20:23 And then you, you have these three slashes with script in there and then three slashes

20:28 at the end, all in comments, but then you can require which Python.

20:32 So you can say requires Python and dependencies.

20:34 And it looks, it looks like there's a bunch of, I wonder how much of the, pipe project

20:39 that Toml syntax goes in here, but this is very Toml like, but you got your, dependencies

20:44 there and it just runs it.

20:46 So what it, yeah.

20:47 And by the way, not only does it install the dependencies when you run it, if they're not

20:52 there, it will install Python.

20:54 If Python 312 is not there.

20:56 Yeah.

20:56 And it checks it, everyone like, like say you haven't run something for a few weeks and

21:02 there's been, it's not the correct versions anymore.

21:04 They, somebody's taking something down.

21:06 It'll check it and get the right thing.

21:07 And it happens so fast that you don't have to worry about it if you're connected with a

21:11 connection.

21:12 But, the, so I tried this morning and I was thrilled to see the, it says like

21:18 reading that it's, it's the output of your script.

21:21 But then it also says, reading inline script metadata from, and then it has the title

21:29 of the script.

21:29 And I have a lot of scripts that I pipe the output to stuff.

21:32 So I was hoping that, that I wanted to like, what's going to mess up my output.

21:36 It doesn't, it, this, this reading inline stuff, comes out on standard error.

21:40 So.

21:41 And can I, can I add a, one more command flag?

21:45 Okay.

21:46 To what Trey is suggesting here.

21:48 You go back up to the env dash, UV command.

21:51 Yeah.

21:52 With the capital S just added dash lowercase Q and all that goes away.

21:56 It's the same output.

21:57 So what's the dash?

21:59 Dash is that just script or something?

22:01 I guess I've, I've never used to, I just tell it to run the script.

22:04 So I don't know what the dash test is.

22:05 The dash Q will get rid of, get rid of that.

22:08 It'll get rid of the, the management output of UV.

22:11 Yeah.

22:12 Cause I don't really care about that.

22:13 Yeah.

22:13 Like you don't want that.

22:14 Not in this.

22:16 I think if you're trying to, this is really nice because it's a super simple way to,

22:20 long as somebody has UV, that's all you need to start distributing like utilities to

22:23 them.

22:24 But the, you don't want them necessarily to see the.

22:26 Actually.

22:27 So I might, I think I'll probably leave it on because, so that I can see that it, it's,

22:34 what it's pulling from and, where it's like when it updates things or something,

22:39 if it has to install something, it'll output that.

22:41 But then it doesn't mess up the output.

22:44 Like I said, it's, it's going to standard error.

22:45 So if your pipe standard out to something else, it'll still work fine.

22:49 So, anyway, cool to, to write up like how to use command line utilities now with Python.

22:55 So yeah, you've got UV tool install for the packages with entry points, all sorts of nice

23:00 stuff.

23:00 Yeah.

23:01 UV everywhere.

23:02 All right.

23:05 Those are our items.

23:06 I've only got one extra that I want to talk about.

23:09 Do you have any?

23:10 Yeah, go first.

23:10 I got a couple.

23:11 Okay.

23:11 this is pretty quick.

23:13 I really appreciate, I forget what this is called.

23:16 so anyway, I've got, the complete PyTorce course of, of course I've split it up.

23:23 So many people can buy it in payments if they want it, but it's, it's like 59 bucks.

23:26 So on a python test.com, there's also a new, the, the new discord community is going really

23:33 great.

23:33 it's a one-time admission just to help with the costs of everything.

23:37 and then, a really quick hello.

23:40 Anyway, I've priced these where I think they're completely reasonable for people.

23:44 However, you might not live, have a software engineering job and live in Oregon, or

23:50 the U S.

23:51 so I was really thrilled the other day, somebody from India just got out of college,

23:56 doesn't have a job yet, but is, or maybe they have a starter job, but they're, they looked

24:02 at this wherever they live.

24:03 And they said, this is too much for me.

24:05 Can I get a discount?

24:06 I don't have like the regional pricing set up.

24:09 So I really parity, they pricing parity.

24:11 That's it.

24:12 So I really appreciate that.

24:13 So if you can find me on a LinkedIn or, or a blue sky or master don and just ask or,

24:20 and, and I'll, I'll work with you.

24:22 So just, I appreciate people reaching out.

24:25 That's it.

24:25 Excellent.

24:26 Excellent.

24:27 All right.

24:27 I have a couple here.

24:29 Let's, I'll go through them quick over the blue sky.

24:32 We've got Hugo VK says, Hey, Python 314 alpha three is out.

24:38 And it's got the links to the, what's new and so on.

24:41 And reasons I don't understand pictures of very delicious looking cake, which I'm here for.

24:46 But anyway, people can check that out.

24:48 That was from a couple of days ago.

24:51 Yeah.

24:51 Maybe a week, quite a week ago, five days ago.

24:54 So the testing of Python 314 continues.

24:57 Remember, I believe it's, there's supposed to be seven total releases before it goes to

25:02 beta and gets kind of locked down ish.

25:04 So you got that.

25:05 It's not cake.

25:06 It's pie 3.14.

25:08 Oh my gosh.

25:10 How did I miss it?

25:11 How did I miss it?

25:13 All right.

25:13 One thing that drives me crazy.

25:15 If you're a Mac person is there's almost always a command you can hit for settings.

25:21 That is the same command comma, any app you want.

25:23 The settings for command comma, unless it's just disrespect in its own self.

25:27 It has no self-respect.

25:28 Command comma will bring up whatever settings it has.

25:30 Web browser, word editor, whatever.

25:33 That's, but check for update is all over the map.

25:35 Some apps automatically check for updates.

25:37 Some only tell you there's an update.

25:39 If you check for it, Firefox and Zen browser only do it.

25:42 If you pull the about screen and show it, then it'll tell you.

25:46 But on Vivaldi, if you pull the about screen, it won't tell you if there's an update.

25:49 Like it's all, all annoying.

25:50 So I went through and I added a check for update hotkey.

25:55 So this is a kind of a cool trick.

25:56 I thought people would appreciate it.

25:58 If you go to macOS, you go to settings, you go to keyboard, you go to keyboard shortcuts,

26:03 then you go to app shortcuts and pick out individual apps and say, I want this menu, whatever the

26:08 menu text is, along with case sensitive spaces, everything is super annoying.

26:13 You can't edit it.

26:13 So get it right.

26:14 Is it a capital four?

26:15 Check for updates or a lowercase four?

26:17 Check for updates.

26:18 You got to get that right.

26:19 But then you can just say control you and then you can go or whatever you want to pick.

26:22 And then if you just like in any app, if you set up the ones you cared about checking,

26:26 you just hit check for updates and it pulls it up.

26:27 It's kind of nice.

26:28 I'm just still blown away that I never knew that command comma was the settings thing.

26:33 It's almost every Apple command comma will do what you're looking for.

26:37 Okay.

26:38 Yeah.

26:38 Yeah.

26:39 But there's no update equivalent.

26:40 So control you now is from my computer.

26:42 Okay.

26:43 So I got Firefox, OBS, VS Code, Zen Browser, SourceTree.

26:47 SourceTree is one of those that it'll go months without telling you there's an update.

26:50 But if you check, there's almost always an update.

26:52 All right.

26:53 On to the next thing.

26:53 What do we got next?

26:54 Oh, I just wanted to talk about something really kind of fun and interesting on Talk Python.

27:00 I got two things on Talk Python real quick here.

27:01 But this is a fun web, more, not so much a Talk Python thing, just like a fun web design,

27:08 thinking about URLs.

27:09 So check this out, Ron.

27:10 We can go to any episode here.

27:12 So Peter Wang, it was on and Peter Wang is super fun.

27:15 If you look at that episode page, you can see there's a thumbnail, like a social media image

27:20 of that, which is also the YouTube thumbnail, right?

27:23 Yeah.

27:24 And let me see if I can make this wider so you can see it's going to be small.

27:28 But up here, if I just type .jpg on the end of the URL, I get the thumbnail.

27:34 And if I just type VTT, which is Web VTT transcripts, I get the transcripts.

27:39 Oh, cool.

27:40 Isn't that fun?

27:41 Yeah.

27:41 I want to encourage people to think more about, like, instead of having a bunch of different

27:45 ways to get things, just, you know, think about, like, resource.

27:48 I don't know what you call it.

27:49 It's a little bit REST-ish.

27:51 But I think it's neat.

27:52 Like, maybe if I had a JSON representation, I could just put .json on the end and it would

27:56 represent the data of the podcast as JSON.

27:58 I don't really know what I would put there.

28:00 But anyway, I thought, I just want to encourage people, you can play that at Talk Python, but

28:04 encourage people to just think about making cool little URL API interactivity bits that

28:10 way.

28:10 Neat.

28:10 I like it.

28:11 Yeah.

28:11 Thanks.

28:12 All right.

28:12 Next, I did a mega write-up.

28:15 You can see that on the Talk Python blog, talkpython.fm/blog, 16 minutes reading time,

28:20 it suggests, for this.

28:21 I wrote up an in-depth analysis of the top Talk Python episodes, top five.

28:27 And I even did a little Jupyter notebook action to come up with where are they on the scale

28:31 and how does that compare against the average number of downloads?

28:33 Number one is awesome text tricks with NLP and Spacey with Vincent Wormerdome.

28:39 Number two, this one really surprised me.

28:41 It was so popular.

28:42 Being a developer with ADHD with Chris Branding.

28:46 Awesome episode.

28:47 I didn't expect to be popular.

28:49 Version APIs with Stanislav.

28:52 Handis and beyond with Wes McKinney.

28:54 That's not surprising.

28:55 And the State of Flask and Palance with David Lord.

28:57 So those are the top five.

28:58 But just super detailed dive into what was covered, what was important and stuff.

29:03 So I did that Sunday?

29:05 Yeah, Sunday morning.

29:06 The house was quiet.

29:07 People were chilling.

29:07 So I'm going to write.

29:09 Well, I mean, it's a 16-minute read with everybody with ADHD.

29:13 I don't think anybody's going to read the whole thing.

29:15 Yeah, maybe the people who were served by that podcast were not.

29:20 No.

29:20 You could always listen to the episodes, but it highlights what was covered.

29:24 No, I think that's cool.

29:25 Yeah.

29:26 Neat.

29:26 Yeah.

29:26 Thanks.

29:27 Okay.

29:27 Now we're down.

29:28 Oh, wait.

29:29 No.

29:29 One more thing.

29:30 Since we talked about...

29:31 I wasn't originally going to point this out.

29:32 But since we talked about typing so much, and you talked about teaching and typing, I have

29:36 a four and a half hour course called Rock Solid Python and Type Hints and Tools.

29:40 Oh, cool.

29:40 So over at Talk Python, I'll put that link in the show notes and people can check that

29:44 out.

29:44 This is one of my absolute favorite courses of all of our 50 or so courses.

29:48 And it's a good one.

29:49 This type of stuff is really neat.

29:51 Neat.

29:52 Okay.

29:52 Are you ready for the joke?

29:53 I am.

29:54 This one, if you've heard of lolcode, some of these joke languages, this is one of them,

30:00 but it's a little bit more Python oriented, I guess I'll say.

30:04 Let me see if I can zoom in for making it a little legible.

30:06 So we come down here and there's a table chart.

30:10 So it's like an alternative language.

30:12 So if you want to write Python like code, but you don't like it.

30:17 So you've got like return.

30:19 Instead of writing return, you can say it's given.

30:21 And if you want to say plus one, it says riz.

30:26 So this is called Python with riz or no, that's not exactly.

30:29 That's its description.

30:30 Pygat.

30:31 And I'm not in this world very much.

30:33 It kind of goes off a lot of like Twitch stream type of terminology.

30:39 So you've got print.

30:41 And instead of print, you yap.

30:42 For true, you get Aurora.

30:44 For false, it's cooked.

30:45 You bop instead of def.

30:47 And then for while loops, it's let him cook.

30:49 Just let him cook.

30:52 So for example, a wild shoe would be let him cook, Aurora.

30:55 Import is glaze.

30:57 Let's see.

30:59 If, L, if, else is chat.

31:02 Is this real?

31:02 Yo, chat.

31:03 Only in Ohio.

31:04 Okay.

31:05 That's funny.

31:06 Oh, glass is skibbity.

31:08 I actually get that reference.

31:10 Break is just put the fries in the bag, bro.

31:14 Raise is crash out.

31:20 Okay.

31:20 And then assert.

31:21 I love assert.

31:22 Assert is sus.

31:23 Yeah.

31:24 It's pretty sus.

31:25 Oh.

31:26 Sus, I think we should add to the language, maybe.

31:30 Yeah, sus is pretty good.

31:31 Yeah.

31:32 Okay.

31:32 Let's see.

31:33 All right.

31:33 So now let's look at an example.

31:35 Okay.

31:35 So we've got here.

31:36 We've got here on the left.

31:38 We've got glaze numpy.

31:40 Ah, N, P.

31:41 Lock in random glaze choice.

31:43 And then skibbity, D, Rizzly.

31:45 And plus pass, I guess.

31:47 Anyway.

31:48 Duke Dennis equals zero.

31:49 Says let him cook, Aurora.

31:50 Just let him cook.

31:51 And chat.

31:52 Is this real cooked?

31:53 Crash out error.

31:56 Only in Ohio.

31:57 Just put it in the fries, bro.

31:59 Just put the fries in the bag, bro.

32:01 Ah, this is good.

32:03 I think it really runs.

32:04 I'm pretty sure.

32:05 Well, I think that we should have like a conversion that you can take some code and convert it to this.

32:12 Yeah, yeah.

32:13 Like a transpiler sort of thing.

32:15 Yeah, yeah.

32:15 Just an upgrader.

32:16 Like a two to three, but a pie to gap.

32:19 Yeah.

32:19 Skibbity Rizzler.

32:20 Pluh.

32:21 Just put the fries in the bag, bro.

32:25 That might be my favorite.

32:28 Or let him cook.

32:30 Just let him cook.

32:31 Chat, is this real?

32:33 This is good.

32:35 Crash out.

32:35 Crash out.

32:36 All right.

32:37 Well, you ready to crash out on this episode?

32:38 I am.

32:39 Just put them in the fries, bro.

32:40 Put the fries in the bag, bro.

32:42 Indeed.

32:43 Well, awesome.

32:44 All right.

32:45 Well, thanks everybody for a wonderful 2024.

32:48 And we're going to, like I said, we'll have a short thank you episode next week, possibly.

32:54 Possibly.

32:55 And then, but we'll see everybody in 2025.